Do you even know anything about football? I'm asking because you may not and thats OK. Miles has never been known as a great football mind for his defense or offense. Saban has always been known as a great defensive coach and more specifically defensive backs. It's where he played and started coaching in the NFL. I thought that most people knew that but you obviously don't. Do you think so many coaches have spent time under Saban because they liked him? Thought he's a nice guy? He isn't. So many have lined up to coach under him because he is great at what he does. So I'm sorry if I've destroyed your opinion of CLM but he isn't nearly the technical coach or recruiter as Saban. For these reasons, I seriously doubt that Miles could do what Saban did at LSU. Mile didn't even come close in his 4 years at Ok St. Saban started in 2000 and already had one in 2003...in a much tougher conference.

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Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:43 am to SL Tiger

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Saban started in 2000 and already had one in 2003...in a much tougher conference.

Really?

Let's take a look at 2003: Alabama was down,
Auburn was down, Florida was down, Arkansas was down, Ole Miss, UK and Vandy and Miss. St. were well Ole Miss, UK, Vandy and UK, and South Carolina was down. UGA and Tenn. were the class of the East and LSU the class of the West.

In every championship year, there is an element of luck that the champion enjoys. In 2003 the SEC West traditional powers being down was a fortunate turn of events for LSU.

Now, don't get me wrong, to this day this is still my personal favorite LSU team. Love the tenacity of that DL.

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Mile didn't even come close in his 4 years at Ok St.

Do you think any coach (take your pick) will ever win a NC at Oklahoma State?

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Posted by Boudreaux in SF

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Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:38 am to SL Tiger

Note to SL Tiger: In an effort to avoid any confusion on your part as to the meaning of what I will say in the following, nothing in the paragraphs that follow should be construed as an attack, put down or denigration of what Saban was able to build at LSU in the 2000-2003 period. Conversely, nothing stated in the following is to be construed as an attempt to compare the relative merits of the jobs done by Saban or Miles during their respective Head Coaching tenures at LSU.

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For these reasons, I seriously doubt that Miles could do what Saban did at LSU. Mile didn't even come close in his 4 years at Ok St. Saban started in 2000 and already had one in 2003

For this to be a valid comparison, Team A and Team B would have to start at relatively the same point in strength of program. It would be disingenuous to suggest that this was the case.

By far, there were more building blocks in place (talent on hand) and an inherent recruiting advantage for LSU in 2000 when Saban became the Head Coach at LSU relative to what Miles' inherited at OSU in 2001.

Also there is a dirth of top end talent in the state of Oklahoma in comparison to Louisiana, thereby making it necessary to recruit primarily out-of-state (namely Texas) talent to a historical also-ran program based in Stillwater, OK; recruiting head-to-head against the cream of the crop of college football programs. Yet, Year 3 (2003) of Miles' tenure as Head Coach of OSU resulted in an appearance in the Cotton Bowl with a 9-3 record.

The evidence suggest that Miles' did a good job of building-up OSU during his tenure as Head Coach.

Your attempt to make an apples to oranges comparison to arrive at a conclusion that the job done by Coach A could never be done by Coach B is logically flawed.

Here's a good question for you. Could Saban have built a NC winner at OSU during the 2001-2004 years?

This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 6:42 am

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