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re: Deer rut in Louisiana 2014
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:13 am to REB BEER
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:13 am to REB BEER
Thanks for the info, gonna go camp out on the from Friday to Sunday. I have some nice bucks on camera, but all at night There is no pressure on these deer so I am having a hard time trying to figure out why they are nocturnal like this. Out of the couple hundred pics I have only 2 are daytime pics
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:14 am to REB BEER
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Also, bucks born to does that were bred on their 2nd or 3rd cycle are behind from the get go on antler development. There is still debate as to whether or not they will ever catch up to the earlier born bucks.
Ive always been told that any doe you see late season that still has last years yearling with her needs to be shot.
Ive seen bucks actively chase does well in to Feb here. Usually between the 3rd of January till around the 15th is a great time to be in the woods here. Usually kill a buck chasing or can find one bedded with a doe.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:17 am to REB BEER
quote:Where is this debate?
Also, bucks born to does that were bred on their 2nd or 3rd cycle are behind from the get go on antler development. There is still debate as to whether or not they will ever catch up to the earlier born bucks.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:17 am to jorconalx
We missed ours. Well some of us did anyway. As a matter of fact, I couldn't tell you what a deer looked like right now.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:20 am to jorconalx
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Thanks for the info, gonna go camp out on the from Friday to Sunday. I have some nice bucks on camera
Try this advanced technique that I read about that I think will help. The stand that you are hunting, the ones with the good buck pictures, set a stand 75 to 100 yards downwind of it. hunt it the day you hang it all day. That smart old good buck has patterned you and is skirting your primary stand site.
Good luck with him!
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:21 am to Tigerfan29
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We missed ours. Well some of us did anyway. As a matter of fact, I couldn't tell you what a deer looked like right now
wth? You fishing too much?? i see a certain uncle of mine didnt miss it though
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:21 am to ReelFun
I almost never hunt the same tree twice. Never twice in a 2 week period for sure.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:23 am to AlxTgr
Moo state
Texas says it has more to do with nutrition and other factors
This is according to Gumps
Bunch of differnt takes on it
LINK
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In more southern latitudes where deer have longer breeding seasons, the average birth date of forked-antlered yearlings was about one month earlier than spike antlered yearlings. And while the differences in birth days is unlikely to affect the eventual size of a buck's antlers, those bucks born in later months have antlers that can take a year or two longer to hit their growth spurt.
Texas says it has more to do with nutrition and other factors
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3. Early or late birth does not affect antler development if deer receive
adequate nutrition. The time of birth of a deer does not change its genetic
potential. A deer with spike antlers could be born in May while a 6-point
yearling may be born in July. In south Texas, where the largest bucks in the
state are found, the average fawning date for deer is July, a month later than
the birth date for Hill Country deer. Fawns born very late in the season
(August or September) may very well become nutritionally deprived because
their greatest energy need occurs during a poor forage production time, late
summer and early fall. Energy intake is diverted to maintaining and growing
body tissues first when nutrition is low. There will be little excess energy
available for antler growth.
This is according to Gumps
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One final factor that can affect antler development is birth date. A buck that is born earlier in the fawning season is generally larger, healthier, and able to produce a better rack earlier in its life. Bucks that are born later than October and November may not catch up with their counterparts for two to three growing seasons. Late born fawns are a product of an unbalanced sex ratio and occur when the doe to buck ratio is too high. The unbalanced sex ration can only be addressed through the harvest of does to maintain a more balanced ratio.
Bunch of differnt takes on it
LINK
This post was edited on 12/10/14 at 10:25 am
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:27 am to AlxTgr
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Where is this debate?
A lot of the younger bucks are only spikes their first year of antler growth. You have some folks that believe "once a spike, always a spike" and some that do not.
There are also some folks that believe after the first year or two, that the later born bucks will catch up. In my opinion it's almost impossible to tell, because you don't know exactly what the buck's genetic potential is.
I do know this, there are only 4 things that impact antler growth:
1. Age
2. Sex
3. Genetics
4. Nutrition
Of these 4, age is the most significant.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:27 am to jorconalx
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wth? You fishing too much??
I wish
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i see a certain uncle of mine didnt miss it though
He sure didn't . I need to hunt as much as he does.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:29 am to AlxTgr
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I almost never hunt the same tree twice. Never twice in a 2 week period for sure.
I've hunted the same tree so much this season that I am now paying it rent.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:29 am to FelicianaTigerfan
I get the take on the first set. It will have nothing to do with later sets, as the genetics are not affected. As long as that buck has proper nutrition he will end up being what he would have been if born earlier.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:30 am to REB BEER
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Of these 4, age is the most significant
Wut?
Ive seen 2 year olds with good genetics and the right nutrition make most 4 year olds anywhere in the country look small
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:34 am to AlxTgr
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I get the take on the first set. It will have nothing to do with later sets, as the genetics are not affected. As long as that buck has proper nutrition he will end up being what he would have been if born earlier.
I think the argument has more to do with the fact that most bucks, especially in the southeast, rarely make it to 4 years old. If it takes 2 years for a buck to catch up then when he is killed 2-3 years old he is smaller than what he could have been if born earlier.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:47 am to REB BEER
quote:Right, but not all spikes are spikes for the same reason. To lump late borns in with the others is bad, bad science.
A lot of the younger bucks are only spikes their first year of antler growth. You have some folks that believe "once a spike, always a spike" and some that do not.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:03 am to AlxTgr
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Right, but not all spikes are spikes for the same reason. To lump late borns in with the others is bad, bad science
I agree, but tell the state of Texas this.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:04 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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Ive seen 2 year olds with good genetics and the right nutrition make most 4 year olds anywhere in the country look small
Just think what he'd look like at 3 or 4 years old.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:08 am to REB BEER
quote:I shall.
I agree, but tell the state of Texas this.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:10 am to REB BEER
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Just think what he'd look like at 3 or 4 years old.
Better than other 3 or 4 year olds because of genetics.
Imo genetics is key. If you dont have them you cant have big bucks, no matter what the age
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:11 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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Imo nutrition is key. If you dont have them you cant have big bucks, no matter what the age
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