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For any O-line gurus: help?

Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:07 pm
Posted by tigerwave168
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2013
30 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:07 pm
Last night's loss has little to do with Anthony Jenning being terrible, LF not getting carries, the OL being a mess.

The game plan had absolutely no creativity. How can any team, regardless of the running backs, run when the line gets absolutely zero push? At halftime, how can a staff look at the offensive output and suddenly think the opposing defense will fare any differently using the same exact formations?

At halftime, it's not about putting Harris in. He wouldn't have been put in a position to succeed with no creativity.

Starting the 3rd quarter, there's no reason not to go into the shotgun with a few 3/4 wide receiver sets (for example). Your offensive output can't possibly get any worse. Give them a look they haven't seen very often on film. The drive where Jennings fumbled: we moved the ball with relative success. Why? Because we attempted to give them a different formation. Arkansas had 10 days to prepare for this game. They weren't going to be confused by our offensive sets used for the Alabama/Ole Miss games. It didn't work in those games either. It just allowed us to stay in those games.

Solid offenses need versatility in their formations/pre-snap looks. Our lack of offensive output has nothing to do with run/pass ratios. We can still run the ball effectively if we mix up formations. I'm not suggesting we switch to the spread, completely abandon what we've done, etc. I'm simply suggesting a mix-up of pre-snap looks, not always running on first down, getting backs involved in the passing game, just to name a few.
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 12:24 pm
Posted by Burt Reynolds
Monterey, CA
Member since Jul 2008
22443 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:08 pm to
ground breaking analysis
Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
10231 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:10 pm to
Unfortunately the same (boring) game plan has had a fair amount of success against better opponents. Its the failure to make adjustments that infuriates me.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
62481 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:12 pm to
Les Miles only adjustment in the last 10 years has been, "come on guys, be more physical. Be a man. Move that line!"
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
24546 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

Unfortunately the same (boring) game plan has had a fair amount of success against better opponents. Its the failure to make adjustments that infuriates me.


Yeah, but that is with no injuries and the team being really fired up. It's a tough way to win. Last night, it was clear early on that the usual plan wasn't going to cut it. No changes though...
Posted by tiger81
Brentwood, TN.
Member since Jan 2008
19195 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:14 pm to
You're correct... s/h gone hurry up and three wide the whole second half.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
27257 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:16 pm to
We have boring pass plays, boring run plays, and no desire to confuse the opponent. WRs can barely create separation, TEs are non existent, and the QB is worse now than in the beginning of the season. Our backup QB can't keep his damn mouth shut (twitter, interviews) and is a lazy as in trying to learn the QB position. The LSU offense is in a complete rut. I mean we are stale and getting worse.

Only saving grace is the defense. Run defense has moved up to 49th after being in the 90s 5 weeks ago. Pass defense is still on fire and rated 5th in the country.
This post was edited on 11/16/14 at 10:56 pm
Posted by tigerwave168
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2013
30 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:20 pm to
I understand it's not ground breaking. I mainly wrote it to point out that I liked the drive where Jennings fumbled the ball (until he gave up the ball up of course). I guess I was just tired of seeing threads pointing out LF not getting enough carries, the threads blaming Jennings, etc. Was hoping for a thread to see if any X and O's guys (mainly OL gurus) could explain why/if there's any reason not to go with multiple formations with a makeshift OL. How complicated Grimes' scheme is, etc.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
24546 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:24 pm to
All of our big runs against Wisconsin seemed to be when we went shotgun and spread the field late in the game. But Les likes those old Big 10 Iron Man formations. If it's working, that's fine. But when it ain't, you have to adjust. We weren't looking to do anything different last night. We went down with the ship.
Posted by tigerborderjumper
Member since Sep 2014
2656 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:26 pm to
and he had to practice saying that
Posted by tigerborderjumper
Member since Sep 2014
2656 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:29 pm to
And in expected Miles' style, no adjustments whatsoever. My Dad made the correct observation last night that LSU was beaten even before they got off the bus. Miles did not play to win.
Posted by tigerwave168
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2013
30 posts
Posted on 11/16/14 at 12:36 pm to
I thought the same thing as well. I guess I'm frustrated with the fact that we essentially fixed the defense with personnel changes and if we aren't doing the same with the offense, then we have to change the scheme (I know, join the club).
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