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Lets be honest, Kobe did nothing without a big. Most champs need a 2nd star. That's not a dig on him, but that's giving the credit where its deserved -> Pau Gasol.

My problem is that you can't win without another talented player, or a collection of talented players, on a team. No one is saying Kobe won five rings by himself, but to say that he did nothing without another star or "needs" another star is ridiculous for two reasons. First, Gasol, Bynum and Odom needed Kobe more than Kobe needed them. Kobe is still producing at an elite level, while Bynum and Odom are gonna be pawning their championship rings in a few years to make ends meet. Gasol is still very good, but he doesn't have to carry a team.

Second, EVERY star that wins a title has a lot of help. Whether it's another star player like Jordan/Pippen, Kobe/Shaq, Lebron/Wade, or teams with great role players and depth like 2014 SA, 2011 DAL, and 2004 Detroit, you ain't winning shite in the NBA without help.

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No Pau, no rings after Shaq.

If Pau wins another, he has Rose. Shaq's one that he got in Miami was with Wade (MVP of that series). I hate attempts to discredit NBA titles because teams had good players. Show me an NBA team that won a title with scrubs, and I'll buy into this line of thinking

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Posted by htran90

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Posted on 11/13/14 at 3:50 pm to AlexLSU

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My problem is that you can't win without another talented player, or a collection of talented players, on a team. No one is saying Kobe won five rings by himself, but to say that he did nothing without another star or "needs" another star is ridiculous for two reasons. First, Gasol, Bynum and Odom needed Kobe more than Kobe needed them. Kobe is still producing at an elite level, while Bynum and Odom are gonna be pawning their championship rings in a few years to make ends meet. Gasol is still very good, but he doesn't have to carry a team.

You make it sound like because Pau didn't make it into the all-star, he was some Smush Parker being led by Kobe.

20.4ppg, 8.9rpg, 4.6apg, 2.5s/bpg in 05-06
20.8ppg, 9.8rpg, 3.4apg, 2.6s/bpg in 06-07
18.9ppg, 8.8rpg, 3.0apg, 1.8s/bpg in 07-08 before he was traded.

In his first 2.5 years with the lakers he put up:
18.7ppg, 10.3rpg, 3.4apg, 2.0s/bpg. In those 6 years, he put up a PER of 22.8, ortg 119, and drtg 105.

Kobe needed those 3 to get the other 2 rings, just as much as Pau needed those 3 to get his 2 rings. Pau rarely gets credit, but he was one of the better bigs in the past decade, he could do it all.

Pau wins another, its on a team, which is what Chicago is truly one of the best as.

18/11/2 on the year for Pau, shooting 49.1%, and PER of 21.4.

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