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re: How were German armored divisions so much more elite than their US counterparts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:35 pm to The Mick
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:35 pm to The Mick
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Same reason they have Mercedes and BMW and we have GM
General Motors had more to do with winning that war than General Eisenhower or General Patton.
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Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:35 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Darth - or anyone - have you read any books dealing with the battle of Dak To during the 1967-68 timeframe? My Uncle was in that battle and wanted to read up on it.
He was a FO and am thinking about doing a small firebase/arty dio for him with maybe a couple of 105s or something to that effect.
I've read about the Battle of Dak To but never a book solely focused on that one battle. I'd imagine there has to be at least one book dedicated to this battle but I've not run across it.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:39 pm to Darth_Vader
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I've read about the Battle of Dak To but never a book solely focused on that one battle. I'd imagine there has to be at least one book dedicated to this battle but I've not run across it.
Thanks.
Hopefully one day will be able to find one. I did catch that show on the military channel about the battle. I called my aunt to let her know it was coming on and she said that he was starting to research/talk about that stuff more now. I have never asked him about and probably never will as he saw some heavy stuff and was wounded there.
If you do come across anything, please let me know.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:42 pm to Darth_Vader
And Allied air power gave them hell. My grandfather was a P47 crew chief. Once in France, they made their living hunting German armor, artillery, trains, bridges, and supply depots.
The Russians fought most of the German armor anyway.
The Russians fought most of the German armor anyway.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:45 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Thanks.
Hopefully one day will be able to find one. I did catch that show on the military channel about the battle. I called my aunt to let her know it was coming on and she said that he was starting to research/talk about that stuff more now. I have never asked him about and probably never will as he saw some heavy stuff and was wounded there.
If you do come across anything, please let me know.
Will do. I had an uncle who fought in Vietnam. He was killed in the same car accident as my mother though so all I really know about him is he was a mortar man in the 101st Airborne in 68-69.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:48 pm to HarryBalzack
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And Allied air power gave them hell. My grandfather was a P47 crew chief. Once in France, they made their living hunting German armor, artillery, trains, bridges, and supply depots.
The Germans were scared shitless of the American "Jabos" as they called them.
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The Russians fought most of the German armor anyway.
True to a point. But I will point out though that the Germans did commit many of their most elite Panzer formations to the Western Front.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:48 pm to Darth_Vader
Thanks
Sorry for you loss, Darth.
Sorry for you loss, Darth.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:49 pm to Spaceman Spiff
It's alright. I had turned 1 yr old only a couple weeks before the accident so I have zero memory of any of them.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:51 pm to Darth_Vader
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But I will point out though that the Germans did commit many of their most elite Panzer formations to the Western Front.
Yessir. One of their top tank aces, Otto Carius (whose tank model that I posted on here a while back) was initially on the Eastern Front but moved west and eventually surrendered to the U.S. Army.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:55 pm to Spaceman Spiff
Dak To : the 173d Airborne Brigade in South Vietnam's central highlands, June-November 1967 / Edward F. Murphy.
Authors: Murphy, Edward F., 1947-
Publication Information: Novato, CA : Presidio, c1993.
Publication Date: 1993
Physical Description: xi, 355 p., [16] p. of plates : ill., maps ; 24 cm.
Publication Type: Book
Document Type: Bibliographies; Non-fiction
Subject Terms: Ð?c Tô (Vietnam), Battle of, 1967 Vietnamese Conflict, 1961-1975 -- Regimental histories -- United States
United States. Army. Airborne Brigade, 173rd -- History
Notes: Includes bibliographical references (p. 345-346) and index.
ISBN: 0891414290 :
LCCN: 93004142
OCLC: 27976460
Authors: Murphy, Edward F., 1947-
Publication Information: Novato, CA : Presidio, c1993.
Publication Date: 1993
Physical Description: xi, 355 p., [16] p. of plates : ill., maps ; 24 cm.
Publication Type: Book
Document Type: Bibliographies; Non-fiction
Subject Terms: Ð?c Tô (Vietnam), Battle of, 1967 Vietnamese Conflict, 1961-1975 -- Regimental histories -- United States
United States. Army. Airborne Brigade, 173rd -- History
Notes: Includes bibliographical references (p. 345-346) and index.
ISBN: 0891414290 :
LCCN: 93004142
OCLC: 27976460
Posted on 10/29/14 at 2:02 pm to HarryBalzack
Thanks, Harry! Will have to check that out.
He wasn't with the 173d, however. He served with the 4/42 Field Artillery, 4th ID, and was attached to the 1/12 IB.
I will definitely get that book and hopefully it can help out. Thanks again!
He wasn't with the 173d, however. He served with the 4/42 Field Artillery, 4th ID, and was attached to the 1/12 IB.
I will definitely get that book and hopefully it can help out. Thanks again!
Posted on 10/29/14 at 2:04 pm to Spaceman Spiff
By late Spring '45, any Jerry who could move West was doing so. The Soviets weren't in the mood for niceties.
But y'all are correct. I only mentioned it because the burden born by the Commies in defeating the socialists is often overlooked. They spilled the majority of the blood and are still so haunted by it that it directly influences their relations with the world today.
But y'all are correct. I only mentioned it because the burden born by the Commies in defeating the socialists is often overlooked. They spilled the majority of the blood and are still so haunted by it that it directly influences their relations with the world today.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 2:08 pm to Spaceman Spiff
With that OCLC number even your local pubic library should be able to get it for you.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 2:09 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Yessir. One of their top tank aces, Otto Carius (whose tank model that I posted on here a while back) was initially on the Eastern Front but moved west and eventually surrendered to the U.S. Army.
The highest scoring German tank ace of the war, Kurt Knispel fought on the Western Front with the 12th SS Panzer Div. Michael Wittmann also fought on the Western Front, serving with the 1st SS Panzer Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler, arguably the most elite armored formation of the war.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 2:09 pm to KosmoCramer
I intentionally chose not to read anything but the OP so that I could say this... and if it's germans, I'm already on topic
The fact that there are 12 pages of this thread lets us all know how full of BS the OTL is.
Love you guys
The fact that there are 12 pages of this thread lets us all know how full of BS the OTL is.
Love you guys
Posted on 10/29/14 at 2:10 pm to Darth_Vader
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Too bad it was coupled up to a transmission with reliability issues that even Chrysler would find appalling
Something had to give - they had some fuel consistency issues, too. I'm looking at online stuff that talks about German challenges in keeping oil supplies up through the war, their difficulties in getting/refining aviation gas and the necessity that drove their innovative synthetic fuel program.
You're an old tanker plus an aviation buff, DV - you'll probably eat (drink) this stuff up.
Air University Review article from 1981
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 2:10 pm to HarryBalzack
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By late Spring '45, any Jerry who could move West was doing so. The Soviets weren't in the mood for niceties.
But y'all are correct. I only mentioned it because the burden born by the Commies in defeating the socialists is often overlooked. They spilled the majority of the blood and are still so haunted by it that it directly influences their relations with the world today.
Good points. They did carry their load and then some when it came to the amount of blood to be spilled in WWII to say the least.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 2:11 pm to Ace Midnight
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You're an old tanker plus an aviation buff, DV - you'll probably eat (drink) this stuff up.
Air University Review article from 1981
Awesome. I'll check this out.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 2:11 pm to Darth_Vader
Wittman was a Tiger crewman, no?
Posted on 10/29/14 at 2:13 pm to HarryBalzack
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With that OCLC number even your local pubic library should be able to get it for you.
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