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re: How long before the SEC forces people to take down their Confederate Flags

Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:55 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:55 am to
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That flag represented the idea of racial superiority from the beginning.


The Stars and Bars I can agree, to a certain degree. I still take issue with the CSA solely existing (and fighting) to preserve slavery - more like "extend" or "soft landing" - as most knew slavery could not persist indefinitely.

But, the battle flag is different.

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Your ancestors bled under that flag, because they fell victim to propaganda by the powerful elite who did not want to see a profitable way of life end.


Certainly valid from a certain perspective.

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The vast majority of enlisted southern soldiers were poor and did not own slaves.


Also true. In fact, they had more in common with slaves than they did white northerners, certainly. Our greatest national tragedy is that we did not accept some modest "soft landing" emancipation, whereby the government offered some compensation, and freed slaves worked for a time, with ever increasing protections and emancipation over a decade or so - certainly would have been better than what happened. The resentment following Reconstruction, and residual discrimination persisted, legally, for the better part of 8 decades, and we still face after images of it today.

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The following quote is from John Townsend, cotton plantation owner.


He did not speak for all southerners. If he speaks for all southerners, then Virginians like Robert E. Lee and Thomas Jefferson speak for all of them by describing slavery as a moral depravity - and Lee thought it was worse for whites than blacks (of course, he was only acquianted with slavery, the institution, in the gentrified, Virginia tradition - he had no idea of the horrors on cotton plantations in Louisiana, Mississippi or Alabama).

In any event, we are getting fairly far afield. The symbol itself should not be oppressive to blacks - per se - after all, blacks served in that army.

One of the ultimate ironies of race relations (painted increasingly as solely white, southern oppression of blacks) - was the 50th reunion of the Battle of Gettysburg - in 1913. Because hotels were segregated (in Pennsylvania - you know, one of the yankee "liberator" states?) in the area, there was no provision made for housing the black veterans of the ANV. There had been provision made for the white yanks, black yanks and rebels. The white veterans of the ANV pooled their money to pay for (legally required to be) separate accomodations of their black veterans attending the reunion.

This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 9:56 am
Posted by BIGDAB
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:58 am to
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after all, blacks served in that army.


Even then they weren't treated fairly and few if any saw any combat. They were slaves in uniforms, they weren't even allowed to carry firearms, (probably a smart thing)


This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 10:17 am
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