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I'm for allowing secession
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:12 pm
I'm for allowing secession. If wanna leave good riddance, with the following conditions:
1) No dual citizens. Anyone residing in a state that secedes has 6 months to decide if they want to continue to be a U.S. citizen, or to be a citizen of the seceded state (and forfeit all their rights to social security, medicare, veterans care, federal pensions, etc.)
2) With the exception of actual real estate, all federal property is returned to the United States - including nuclear arsenals and any other weapons and any monies owed. Any land and buildings within the state the state gets to keep - with the exception that any federal land which is bordered by a non-secession state is kept by the feds, and any buildings which themselves contain architecture classified as secret will be removed or destroyed.
3) Seceded states agree to not form a confederacy with other seceded states for a period of 99 years.
4) Any state whose secession would cause one part of the continental U.S. to be physically cut off from another agrees to allow the U.S. to keep enough sovereign land in the state to guarantee a continuous passage for U.S. residents.
5) All members of the U.S. military are still required to fulfill their service obligations, and seceded states agree to aid the U.S. in apprehending service members who violate those obligations.
1) No dual citizens. Anyone residing in a state that secedes has 6 months to decide if they want to continue to be a U.S. citizen, or to be a citizen of the seceded state (and forfeit all their rights to social security, medicare, veterans care, federal pensions, etc.)
2) With the exception of actual real estate, all federal property is returned to the United States - including nuclear arsenals and any other weapons and any monies owed. Any land and buildings within the state the state gets to keep - with the exception that any federal land which is bordered by a non-secession state is kept by the feds, and any buildings which themselves contain architecture classified as secret will be removed or destroyed.
3) Seceded states agree to not form a confederacy with other seceded states for a period of 99 years.
4) Any state whose secession would cause one part of the continental U.S. to be physically cut off from another agrees to allow the U.S. to keep enough sovereign land in the state to guarantee a continuous passage for U.S. residents.
5) All members of the U.S. military are still required to fulfill their service obligations, and seceded states agree to aid the U.S. in apprehending service members who violate those obligations.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:14 pm to SpidermanTUba
It will cut the tax base down that pays for yours and 47 million others entitlement programs. You are doing crazy talk now. Do you really want to disrupt your way of living?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:15 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:Well of course. I was a natural birth, but some women's frames simply aren't large enough.
I'm for allowing secession
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:15 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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It will cut the tax base down that pays for yours and 47 million others entitlement programs.
Actually its the other way around
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I know its mostly red states that will secede - and wouldn't you know it - its the red states that use the most federal spending dollars for tax dollars paid!
The seceded states will then get stuck having to pay for all their poors all on their own.
About the only Republican state that I think would do well is Texas, because they actually only take barely more than $1 for every $1 they pay in federal taxes - the rest of them will fail almost instantly.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:17 pm to SpidermanTUba
I am okay with this except for 3 and 4
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:17 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:
I'm for allowing secession
I hope you leave and live in the lib utopias of Detroit.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:19 pm to Wild Thang
Furthermore, if Louisiana is allowed to keep our natural resources, then I'm good with this.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:20 pm to SpidermanTUba
So, you want all federal funding and benefits to cease but the states must do all this bullshite to help the federal govt including keep their potential defenses locked in the US military and we have to help keep them from going awol. That makes so much mfing sense.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:21 pm to SpidermanTUba
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The seceded states will then get stuck having to pay for all their poors all on their own.
The fallacy of your troll, is that the poors will leave states that don't enable them.
Sounds good to me.
Also, the fighting force of this country is majority red state. They come with us, your utopia may be fricked.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:22 pm to SpidermanTUba
I sometimes wonder who ties your shoes for you.
No, really.
No, really.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:22 pm to udtiger
quote:
I am okay with this except for 3 and 4
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3) to allow physically contiguous confederacies after 10 years.
4) doesn't apply to states with ocean or gulf borders, so its really only to prevent part of the U.S. from becoming landlocked by seceded states. In this case - its doubtful this clause would even be invoked. Just look at the map.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:22 pm to Godfather1
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I sometimes wonder who ties your shoes for you.
upside down me
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:26 pm to Wild Thang
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The fallacy of your troll, is that the poors will leave states that don't enable them.
Sounds good to me.
Then who will the richers have to mow their lawns, flip their burgers, change their oil, join their military, or pick up their garbage?
Oh - yeah - society doesn't need those things, I forgot. And I want to help you have your poor person free utopia! This is why I support secession.
quote:
. They come with us,
Sorry. The contract they have is with the United States. Too bad. You can have them when they're done.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:28 pm to Wild Thang
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Furthermore, if Louisiana is allowed to keep our natural resources, then I'm good with this.
Along with the taxable benefits the control of the Mississippi River and port of New Orleans would generate, and the dysfunctional voters that would choose to leave the state to continue to get the federal welfare benefits, there is no down side for Louisiana.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:30 pm to Wild Thang
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Furthermore, if Louisiana is allowed to keep our natural resources, then I'm good with this.
Of course she would.
Until Texas invades.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:30 pm to CarrolltonTiger
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Along with the taxable benefits the control of the Mississippi River and port of New Orleans would generate, and the dysfunctional voters that would choose to leave the state to continue to get the federal welfare benefits, there is no down side for Louisiana.
Exactly, along with control of the Gulf.
Spidy fricked in Detroit while we prosper.
Sign me up!
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:35 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Until Texas invades.
Putting aside their respect for the rule of law unlike dysfunctional Democrats, why would Texas invade? They have natural resources access to the sea, we have nothing they need and east Texas is as much a threat to Austin as eastern Ukraine is to Kyiv.
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