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re: Uber and Lyft Are The Arguments to turn (Social) Liberals to Libertarians
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:26 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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we're doing a good job of supplying tech to the world with our current one. plus with a less decentralized federal government, we'll have a more free market educational system and that will adapt much more quickly
You think we'll have a less decentralized government? I think with technological innovation one of the great dangers is the misuse by governments to increase oversight. Currently it is hard to imagine this federal government actually giving up oversight. Giving up power is not something governments tend to do.
Not only that, if the goal our of education system were to thrive in the technological state, then you'd have to introduce programming at much younger ages, you'd have to introduce programs to fix whatever breaks down, etc. That implementation process isn't easy, by any means.
With regard to people leaving, they would only leave if they had a place to go where they could improve their condition. That is by no means a guarantee. In the world you are envisioning, those that "produce" would be limited to a much smaller number of people. Also in this automated world, the wealth would be concentrated into fewer and fewer hands. I don't see how that could be sustainable, nor how "just leave" is an accurate solution. Of course I don't think the transition to a technological society will be uniform across the globe, but people won't migrate unless they have a reason to.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:35 am to crazy4lsu
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You think we'll have a less decentralized government?
yes
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Currently it is hard to imagine this federal government actually giving up oversight
well, the example of this thread is localized, but apply it on a bigger scale and it will still apply (just will take time)
technology always wins in the end, because the population will support new tech that enhances their lives with much more vigor than they will their political parties. that's kind of what i'm implying with this thread (in terms of influencing one group with a tactile example to expand their political ideology in general. these liberals in nola and nyc who claim to support big gov are already displaying their hypocrisy with their support of "illegal" apps like uber/lyft)
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Not only that, if the goal our of education system were to thrive in the technological state, then you'd have to introduce programming at much younger ages, you'd have to introduce programs to fix whatever breaks down, etc. That implementation process isn't easy, by any means.
i don't necessarily agree, but it's much more likely to be adapted in a free market than via government. government is slow to react, due to the very nature of what government is. this is actually see by the OP of this thread
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With regard to people leaving, they would only leave if they had a place to go where they could improve their condition.
well i dream of a world with extremely limited social welfare, public schooling, etc. we will only develop our technology with these efficiencies in place. it won't be a pretty place for those people
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In the world you are envisioning, those that "produce" would be limited to a much smaller number of people.
yup
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. Also in this automated world, the wealth would be concentrated into fewer and fewer hands. I don't see how that could be sustainable
wealth flows due to the desires of the populace. also, the wealthy can only increase wealth by offering competing products (at competing prices) while leaving enough money flowing to add to this wealth. the feared oligarchy, like what we see in contemporary russia, is only formed through the power of the state. even then, though, at some point they will reach a satiation point where without more freedom for the consumer, they cannot increase their wealth further.
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but people won't migrate unless they have a reason to.
the main reason poor people stay in the US is b/c we allow them to via social welfare programs paid by others
ignore the government control-innovation issues and just think about how much things would improve if we didn't have to support all of those people and that money could be diverted back to market choices, R&D, and innovation.
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