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I want some kind of substantial proof that a "whole lot" of people are so destitute that, despite the abundant financial assistance available to them, they are unable to come up with $65 per month for the single most vital basic need a person can have.

Fine. The water dept has acknowledged that some genuinely can't afford to pay their bills

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the department has had a hard time distinguishing empty homes from occupied ones, and customers who legitimately can't afford to pay from those who've simply opted not to.

And let's set the bar lower than "poverty", and go with " extreme poverty", people living on less than $2 per day. Over 1% of Americans fit this definition, and it doesn't matter how much assistance you get, you can't pay a $65 water bill with only $60.

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I don't expect any will be forthcoming. You're talking completely out of your arse, and despite your constant deflection and now this strawman that I live bubble, you don't have a damn thing to back up what you're claiming. You're entire argument is based in emotion. "Ohh the poor people can't afford their water. It's the governments fault. It's the low population's fault" - Yeah, it's everyone's fault except the dead beats who didn't pay their bill.

Anything else?

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Posted by CptRusty

Basket of Deplorables

Member since Aug 2011

11740 posts

Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:10 pm to Korkstand

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Your position depends on broad generalizations.

broad generalizations of what? do you think you can just toss around rhetoric and act as if you've made some kind of point? There are no "broad generalizations" in my position. Water is a necessity, hair color and manicures are not. Very simple.

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customers who legitimately can't afford to pay from those who've simply opted not to.

What is their definition of legitimate? What would be yours for that matter? What constitutes a "legitimate" failure to pay a water bill?

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And let's set the bar lower than "poverty", and go with " extreme poverty", people living on less than $2 per day. Over 1% of Americans fit this definition, and it doesn't matter how much assistance you get, you can't pay a $65 water bill with only $60.

Should have read the full study:

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About 866,000 households
appear to live in extreme poverty across
a full calendar quarter

assuming 300MM people in the US, that' .28% of households.

Then:

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When we consider SNAP benefits as
equivalent to dollars, this reduces the
number of extremely poor households
with children by about half.

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Beyond SNAP, many households with
children in extreme poverty also appear to
have access to other in-kind benefits. At
the beginning of 2011, roughly one-in-five
households in extreme poverty utilized a
housing subsidy such as section 8 vouchers
or public housing units

We can go round and round about how many of these people actually live in "extreme" poverty, but the bottom line is that the number we arrive at is panning out to be VERY low. Let's be generous and say that 5% fall in this category. The other 95% can afford it and choose to spend their money elsewhere.

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Posted by BOSCEAUX

Where the Down Boys go.

Member since Mar 2008

47826 posts

Posted on 7/23/14 at 2:02 am to Korkstand

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people living on less than $2 per day.

Then these people are too lazy to catch the bus to the nearest gubment building. The way our fricked up system is set up nobody and I mean nobody (not even illegals) only get $2 a day in assistance.

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