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A better story about Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:10 am
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:10 am
This is Tsutomu Yamaguchi. He was an engineer for Mitsibushi. He survived both atomic blasts, Hiroshima AND Nagasaki, though he suffered severe burns and ruptured eardrums, many people further than him from ground zero were killed.
After the war, he became a translator for US Marines.
He lived to be 93
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Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:17 am to genro
That's a story I can read. 1 picture and 5 sentences! The End.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:21 am to genro
I'm not sure how to feel about this.
I'm conflicted
I'm conflicted
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:26 am to genro
20 years ago CNN did a report for the 50th anniversary of Pearl Harbor. I got ready to hear about the sneak attack.
Instead the entire report was about a guy who'd lived through the Hiroshima bombing and dedicated his life to telling the world what a terrible war crime it was. This was on December 7, yet.
They had it coming.
Instead the entire report was about a guy who'd lived through the Hiroshima bombing and dedicated his life to telling the world what a terrible war crime it was. This was on December 7, yet.
They had it coming.
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Ralph Anthony "Iggy" Ignatowski (April 8, 1926 – March 4–7, 1945) was a United States Marine Corps private who was captured and killed by the Japanese in the Battle of Iwo Jima during World War II. The circumstances of this personally involved one of the Iwo Jima flag raisers, John Bradley.
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in the book Flags of Our Fathers, coauthored by the son of flag raiser John Bradley. The following are his recollections of Ignatowski's death:quote:Other eyewitness reports further indicated that Ignatowski had been tortured in the cave by the Japanese for three days, during which time they also cut out his eyes, cut off his ears, smashed in his teeth, and cut off his genitalia
"I have tried so hard to block this out. To forget it. We could choose a buddy to go in with. My buddy was a guy from Milwaukee. We were pinned down in one area. Someone elsewhere fell injured and I ran to help out, and when I came back my buddy was gone. I couldn’t figure out where he was. I could see all around, but he wasn’t there. And nobody knew where he was.
A few days later someone yelled that they’d found him. They called me over because I was a corpsman. The Japanese had pulled him underground and tortured him. His fingernails... his tongue... It was terrible. I’ve tried hard to forget all this."
Many years later, in researching my father’s life, I asked Cliff Langley, Doc’s co-corpsman, about the discovery of Iggy’s body. Langley told me it looked to him as though Ralph Ignatowski had endured just about every variety of physical cruelty imaginable.
"Both his arms were fractured," Langley said. "They just hung there, there like arms on a broken doll. He had been bayoneted repeatedly. The back of his head had been smashed in."
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:30 am to Kafka
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They had it coming.
Right, little known fact that 100% of the victims of the atomic bombing were directly involved in the Pearl Harbor planning. *blank stare*
You can think the a-bomb was necessary to end the war while still feeling sympathy for the civilian victims.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:30 am to Cold Cous Cous
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You can think the a-bomb was necessary to end the war while still feeling sympathy for the civilian victims.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:32 am to Cold Cous Cous
casualties of war
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:34 am to Cold Cous Cous
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the a-bomb was necessary
Some have argued that it was not necessary and that Truman had a hard-on to show the world what strength our military had. Some have argued that.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:37 am to vuvuzela
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Some have argued that it was not necessary and that Truman had a hard-on to show the world what strength our military had. Some have argued that.
I've heard this theory, that the real intended message of the a bomb was Stalin. Some people also argue that what finally pushed the Japanese to surrender was when the Russians completely surrounded & massacred the entire Manchurian Army - supposedly Japan's "elite" land unit - in the space of like two weeks. Frankly I have no idea, and I doubt anyone still living knows the real answers.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:39 am to vuvuzela
Some believe the world is flat and argue its 6000 years old. Some argue that.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:00 pm to genro
I love simple minded people who love conspiracy theories.. The moon landing never happened, Pearl Harbor was planned by our government. I can't wait to see what comes next
Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:01 pm to Col reb 2011
quote:vuvuzela?
I love simple minded people who love conspiracy theories.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:16 pm to Tiguar
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Some believe the world is flat and argue its 6000 years old. Some argue that.
Concerning the bomb, it's pure speculation, and I wouldn't suggest it to be fact. However, these examples you have listed here are ridiculous in comparison to the reasoning behind dropping the bomb.
There are some eyewitness accounts which speak of Truman being giddy at being able to tell Stalin about the new bomb. In my opinion that is a bit troubling. That again, is my opinion.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:23 pm to vuvuzela
Arguing the bomb was not necessary is as asinine as saying the world is 6k years old, sorry. Not denying we wanted to flip off Russia too, but that was ancillary.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:47 pm to Tiguar
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Arguing the bomb was not necessary is as asinine as saying the world is 6k years old,
The Japanese were ready to surrender, conditionally, before the bombs were ever dropped. The conditions were merely to save face for the family and to avoid total shame. The country was already in ruins, and they were defeated, and knew they were defeated. It could certainly be argued that had the Ally leadership been merciful they could have saved lives, and ended the war without the dropping of the bombs.
To suggest that the dropping of the bombs somehow made the Japanese realize that they were defeated is much more asinine than the idea that this was purely a flexing of the muscles for the world to see.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:53 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Retaliation is never truly "justified". That's something we tell ourselves at night to help cope with the dead that haunt our dreams.
There is no just war, only a senseless slaughter of boys with more vigor than sense, rushing to fulfill the selfish desires of men with greying hair.
Old men talk about the war. Young men go and die.
Those who speak of payback should hope the price of their own ancestor's atrocities is not visited upon them.
There are no innocents. Men with their blood up are capable of unspeakable horrors when they think no one is looking.
And I speak not to condemn those in that hell of battle, merely to comment on the state of man as it has ever been...capable of selfless mercy, and unenvied cruelty.
There is no just war, only a senseless slaughter of boys with more vigor than sense, rushing to fulfill the selfish desires of men with greying hair.
Old men talk about the war. Young men go and die.
Those who speak of payback should hope the price of their own ancestor's atrocities is not visited upon them.
There are no innocents. Men with their blood up are capable of unspeakable horrors when they think no one is looking.
And I speak not to condemn those in that hell of battle, merely to comment on the state of man as it has ever been...capable of selfless mercy, and unenvied cruelty.
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Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:56 pm to Kafka
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and cut off his genitalia
and stuffed it in his mouth, that's how he was found
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:44 pm to vuvuzela
vuvuzela, you obviously do not know your history, based on your first sentence alone. If that was the case, why did the Japs not surrender after the first bomb? They were given more than enough time to do so. The problem was that it was the Jap military who was still running the country & they steadfastly refused to surrender. I had 2 uncles who were scheduled to be in the invasion fleet, one being transferred from the European Theater, and our family, multiplied times 100000 other families of soldiers, are extremely, extremely thankful the war was ended the way it did. And as an aside, go ask the families of the soldiers who died in the Baton Death March just how merciful we should have been.Or the families of the 10000's who were raped & beheaded in Nanking. Or the families of the soldiers who died horribly as a result of the criminal medical experiments carried out on them as POW's.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:54 pm to vuvuzela
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To suggest that the dropping of the bombs somehow made the Japanese realize that they were defeated is much more asinine than the idea that this was purely a flexing of the muscles for the world to see.
They had a way out - they could have surrendered.
They could have surrendered after Little Boy and spared themselves Fat Man.
Play stupid arse games? Win stupid arse prizes.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:57 pm to Ace Midnight
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They had a way out - they could have surrendered.
yep, those assholes weren't giving in even after the 2nd bomb, they finally caved because the Russians wouldn't stop invading/claiming their territory from the other direction, you could say the bomb had some effect in making the Ruskies back off
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