re: Should Arts and Humanities Majors be denied Grants and Loans?

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It's just my position that if the major can't stand on it's own, then it shouldn't be one.

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That's absurd. You're trying to make a very complicated issue, very simple.

If you do away with liberal arts programs you do away with foreign language programs. We need to be speaking more languages not less. We need those asian studies majors who speak Chinese to help us try to get along with China, since they own us. You need art classes for architecture and industrial design students.

Yes, we need more people with 4 or 5 or 6 year trade school degrees, and it's trending that way. But if everyone majored in those, an already saturated job market would be totally ridiculous.

And no I don't think you need a PhD in creative writing to write the next great American novel. But someone has to teach freshman comp. And speaking of, everyone should have to take at least one technical writing course. It would help most people more on the job than advanced math courses. You can teach yourself things like web design that make you more marketable. But technical writing is something that really works best when learned in a classroom setting.

A big problem with recent college grads is that they make more money waiting tables than they would at an entry level position in their field. So they wait tables.

But you're also ignoring the fact that many fields that used to require a bachelors now require a master's to be competitive in the same field.

Also we need useless joke degrees like criminal justice, because we need football players.

I think a bigger problem is pushing 18 year old kids who have no idea what they want to do with their lives into college. They're wasting everyone's money while they figure it out. There should be options other than joining the military out there. And not going directly to college shouldn't be frowned upon. But it's going to screw up the high school's stats, and we can't have that. I don't think you can defer TOPS for a few years in LA. But it would make so much sense.

The premise of this whole thread is just stupid.

I graduated with a Mass Comm degree and I've been a gainfully employed, taxpaying citizen for 25 years now, with a job in my field.

I don't know a single classmate with the same degree who is a burden on society or a fry cook at Cane's after a quarter century in job market.

The stereotype that liberal arts majors are worthless is a favorite little topic of arrogant tech and engineering majors who feel the need to crow about how needed and worthwhile they are to society. That's probably because no one pays enough attention to them in their high tech, process-oriented drone jobs.

You want a stereotype? You want to know what liberal arts majors think of engineers/tech majors? We think you can't lead or communicate for shite. And to tell you the truth, after 25 years in the workplace, I think that's a pretty accurate stereotype.

You want to know the worth of a liberal arts major? They are the ones with vision. The ones who lead in society. Don't take my word for it. Investigate. Use those valuable research skills you have to discover how many companies, organizations, governments, charities and churches are run by liberal arts majors.

Liberal arts and humanities programs generate leaders, not sheep. Half this thread has it backward.

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The ones who lead in society. Don't take my word for it. Investigate. Use those valuable research skills you have to discover how many companies, organizations, governments, charities and churches are run by liberal arts majors.

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Ok.

CEO degrees.

Google - computer scientist
Apple - industrial engineering
Microsoft - naturalized American engineer
Exxon Mobil - civil engineering
Chevron - Agricultural Economics
GM - electrical engineering
Berkshire Hathaway - economics


Nancy Pelosi - political science.

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You want to keep going, or do you just want to stop right here?

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none of those presidents were any good

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First of all, you placed the burden of proof on me. And, just like a typical humanities major you interjected your opinion when nobody asked for it. So, no I don't want you to keep going all day.

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Thanks. It would be tiring whooping your typical engineering/tech major arse all day. I appreciate you calling it off.

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Thanks. It would be tiring whooping your typical engineering/tech major arse all day. I appreciate you calling it off.

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Valero - Chemical Engineering
Ford - aeronautical and astronautical engineering
AT&T - B.S. from the University of Central Oklahoma
CVS - University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy
Verizon - engineering
IBM - computer science and electrical engineering
Proctor and Gamble - Engineering
Microsoft - applied mathematics
AIG - Mathematics
Johnson and Johnson - bachelor's of science from West Point
Pepsi - Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics
ConocoPhilips - Petroleum Engineering


I'm getting tired of searching.

So -

33% of the S&P 500 CEOs' undergraduate degrees are in engineering and only 11% are in business administration.

Read more: LINK

ETA: Hitler tried to study art, but couldn't get accepted into the program.

Research via wikipedia. Your professors would be mortified.

Since we're doing the whole correlation-causation thing, I wonder where these guys went for college.

Maybe, and I'm just throwing this out there, in the insular world of high level finance, studying liberal arts wasn't the key but studying liberal arts in the Ivy League.

I'm sure that's wrong, however. No doubt most of these philosophy majors went to Colorado State.