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re: Snowden and Putin really throwing it down on us now.

Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:59 am to
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
8964 posts
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:59 am to
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Terrible argument. You're asserting that any steps to reduce bad things are a waste of time because "bad things always happen?"

Do you have a lock on your house and car door? Alarm system?

You take all possible steps to protect yourself. If you (and Snowden) want to fight handicapped fine, but you don't get to make the decision for me.


Not at all what I am asserting. I am asserting that you don't go beyond legal documents and inherent rights, infringing upon the liberty of the people, to stop ALL OCCURRENCES of something that is reasonably and inevitably going to happen regardless of the steps you take. There are alternate ways to gain control of a majority of happenings before you jump in and take oppressive actions (which the NSA actions in question are absolutely oppressive in nature.)

My deadbolt and car alarm don't house any of my personal conversations or Personally Identifiable Information as addressed in the Privacy Act of 1974, another law that it is safe to assume is being violated because there is no way, with all the information they are "collecting" that they can label all of it properly.

And, yet again, no, I don't take all measures to protect myself. I take those measures that are legal and readily available for me to take. I could give two fricks less who you support in this debate, because that is exactly what this is, a debate. What we say to each other will have no bearing on the other's life. I am not forcing my opinion on anyone, I am expressing mine. A right that I am still (as of today, at least) free to exercise.
Posted by Oenophile Brah
The Edge of Sanity
Member since Jan 2013
7544 posts
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:18 pm to
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I am asserting that you don't go beyond legal documents and inherent rights, infringing upon the liberty of the people, to stop ALL OCCURRENCES of something that is reasonably and inevitably going to happen regardless of the steps you take.

I'm still waiting for someone to list the laws broken by these actions.

Also, who said these actions would stop "ALL OCCURANCES"? It's the government's duty to protect it's citizens using all legal means necessary. If our countrymen wish to change the laws to disallow currently legal action, then we have a process for that. It's not stealing classified information(Snowdedn swore to not disclose) and flee to share it with our enemies.
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