re: Kiper: How low could they go?

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Did you not see Shazier's combine and pro day numbers? Athleticism wise he is up there with Barr. Scheme wise, techniques, intangibles, and every other category he's miles past Barr. Also he has the speed and coverage ability to run with wideouts. If we are taking a LB and its not Mosley it better be Shazier

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Honestly tell me how many games of Shazier's you've watched. If you think Shazier is even in the same realm as Barr you should stop following football. I'll make any bet you can possibly come up with that Barr has a better career than Shazier.

All you have to do to learn about Shazier is go to youtube and type in "Clemson Orange Bowl Highlights". You will literally see Clemson targeting and exploiting Shazier. College teams aren't supposed to scheme into your first round pick, they should scheme away from him. Clemson made him look like a blind cripple.

In nearly every clip you will see him catching blocks 4-5 yards downfield and making tackles at the safety level. You'll see him mis-stepping nearly every play and borderline abandoning all semblance of gap integrity. You'll also see him getting run over by Sammy Watkins a couple of times. Yea, the same Sammy who is a fvcking WR.

Shazier doesn't play downhill. He doesn't attack blockers. He doesn't do anything better than Barr. It's laughable to suggest they are even remotely comparable. If you like Shazier, I promise you've never watched his game film.

Shazier is so bad.

Oh I never said Shazier wasnt a great athlete. He is.

But, look at the difference in height and weight right now. Anthony Barr is 6'5 255lbs. Shazier is 6'1 237lbs. Barr is taller and heavier with just as much or more athleticism.

Barr is a better fit in the 3-4 OLB spot than Shazier is. Hes a better fit as a 4-3 run and hit OLB.

Barr also has a lot more experience getting after the QB. Shazier, not so much.