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re: Game of Thrones S4:E2:"The Lion and the Rose", HODORS ONLY (no book readers)
Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:49 pm to KosmoCramer
Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:49 pm to KosmoCramer
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It was Joffrey's wedding, of course he would be the first to eat the pie IMO. It's not a stretch to think the others would wait til he did. But there was a delay between his taking the first bite and the choking.
I was thinking about this as well and doesn't rule out the pie for me. But see, that would also lead me to believe that the Tyrells knew what was going on...bc what would have stopped Maergery from grabbing a piece at the same time Joffrey did?
But then again....why would the Tyrells even do this when it immediately cuts any ties of theirs to the throne.
Fuuuuuck!
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:57 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
I initially thought it was the pie, but there was a shite ton of foreshadowing throughout the episode that makes me almost positive it was the wine.
- the fool being in on it, thus killing Joffrey with wine after Joffrey had planned to do the same to him
- Tyrion's line to Jaime: "It's just wine" after he had spilled some when they were eating together
- Joffrey pouring wine all over Tyrion's head
It just has too much significance throughout the plot for it not be a clue, IMO. I know I'm missing some other examples as well.
- the fool being in on it, thus killing Joffrey with wine after Joffrey had planned to do the same to him
- Tyrion's line to Jaime: "It's just wine" after he had spilled some when they were eating together
- Joffrey pouring wine all over Tyrion's head
It just has too much significance throughout the plot for it not be a clue, IMO. I know I'm missing some other examples as well.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:00 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
The question is an odd amalgam of who benefits and who has nothing to lose. Who has motive?
Do the Tyrell's have anything to lose by killing J? No. Marriages are born of benefit. The Lannisters need the Tyrells. J dying doesnt change that. This could be crazy, but Margaery is young. Tommen will be of age to marry in a few years. Could she be handed off? Tyrells still get their queen and a claim to the throne. Additionally, they get rid of crazypants Joffrey. How long would it be until Joffrey either killed Margaery or sparked an outright rebellion and lost the throne?
From that perspective, it doesnt seem absurd for them to be the culprit. And I still believe it was a plot hatched with Tywin.
as for when, theres clearly a scene before J gets the wine for the last time that shows the goblet and Olenna in the background. She could have slipped it in then. I think it was right before Tyrion grabbed the goblet.
Maybe it was the pie, but that raises more questions than answers. Im skeptical of that theory.
Do the Tyrell's have anything to lose by killing J? No. Marriages are born of benefit. The Lannisters need the Tyrells. J dying doesnt change that. This could be crazy, but Margaery is young. Tommen will be of age to marry in a few years. Could she be handed off? Tyrells still get their queen and a claim to the throne. Additionally, they get rid of crazypants Joffrey. How long would it be until Joffrey either killed Margaery or sparked an outright rebellion and lost the throne?
From that perspective, it doesnt seem absurd for them to be the culprit. And I still believe it was a plot hatched with Tywin.
as for when, theres clearly a scene before J gets the wine for the last time that shows the goblet and Olenna in the background. She could have slipped it in then. I think it was right before Tyrion grabbed the goblet.
Maybe it was the pie, but that raises more questions than answers. Im skeptical of that theory.
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