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re: Poland's new tank...are we dumb now?
Posted on 3/30/14 at 10:25 am to H.M. Murdock
Posted on 3/30/14 at 10:25 am to H.M. Murdock
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Hell, when it comes time to do battle I think I want the most potent tool in the box.
Yep. And I'll bet they will too when the Soviets and Chinese are pushing their shite in.
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Posted on 3/30/14 at 10:28 am to Jbird
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too bad it's a D-model.
Still more competent than its Russian counterparts though.
They have Mig's too. They key is they train and they train with us, of course we all know training is what takes these machines to the next level.
This post was edited on 3/30/14 at 10:31 am
Posted on 3/30/14 at 10:42 am to H.M. Murdock
quote:C-model, yep.
Still more competent than its Russian counterparts though.
quote:Best investment we have ever made was getting into Poland and training those Bubbas, very capable and dangerous Air Force make no mistakes about it.
They have Mig's too. They key is they train and they train with us, of course we all know training is what takes these machines to the next level.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 11:01 am to StuntmanAnderson
Pardon my ignorance, but couldn't we just drone the shite out of those tanks? Even if they're stealth, when they fire, they are going to give up their position.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 11:15 am to dpd901
Simply, air superiority wins the day. In a 3rd world shite hole yes. In a battle with modern forces and modern air defenses the drones would be targets.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 11:24 am to StuntmanAnderson
Fascinating, but complicated. Sometimes, simplicity rules.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 11:47 am to StuntmanAnderson
That thing looks fragile as frick.
The slop on the front is great for misdirecting projectiles, but the sides are the size of barn houses.
Side note: These tanks look like the ones for the video game Battlezone.
The slop on the front is great for misdirecting projectiles, but the sides are the size of barn houses.
Side note: These tanks look like the ones for the video game Battlezone.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 12:29 pm to StuntmanAnderson
What about your 6? Pollacks 
Posted on 3/30/14 at 12:56 pm to Jbird
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Darth Vader
DOING work in this thread!!
You just do you brah
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:13 pm to StuntmanAnderson
It will be interesting in seeing what Jane has to say about it. Our Abrams and the Israeli Merkava became obsolete the moment the AT-14 Spriggan Russian anti tank missile was introduced on the battlefield.
Both were shut down cold on the front lines.
We clearly needed a lighter more defensible armored vehicle that could deliver the TKO and the Bradly just never was up to the task.
I am sure we have something coming on par with this concept. Putting a jet engine in a tank was just downright stupid.
Both were shut down cold on the front lines.
We clearly needed a lighter more defensible armored vehicle that could deliver the TKO and the Bradly just never was up to the task.
I am sure we have something coming on par with this concept. Putting a jet engine in a tank was just downright stupid.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:19 pm to dpd901
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Pardon my ignorance, but couldn't we just drone the shite out of those tanks? Even if they're stealth, when they fire, they are going to give up their position.
Yes but Poland isn't building those to fight the US.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:24 pm to BarberitosDawg
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It will be interesting in seeing what Jane has to say about it. Our Abrams and the Israeli Merkava became obsolete the moment the AT-14 Spriggan Russian anti tank missile was introduced on the battlefield.
The Kornet as it's called did not render the Abrams or any other MBT any more obsolete than the advent of SAMS made all fighter aircraft obsolete.
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We clearly needed a lighter more defensible armored vehicle that could deliver the TKO
Yes the Kornet can disable an Abrams (BTW, there is a difference between being disabled and "knocked-out")but the answer to this is not to throw away the Abrams and replace it with a vehicle that is not only more vulnerable to the Kornet than the Abrams was, it's also vulnerable to a variety of anti-tank weapons the Abrams was impervious to.
This post was edited on 3/30/14 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:28 pm to BarberitosDawg
The Bradley is very capable, don't let political bs sway you.
There are claims the Iraqis used the at-14 against us in the early 2000's . They are not all they are cracked up to be in terms of accuracy.
In terms of armored warfare the Abrams is top notch and no where near obsolete.
Looks at us strategy against the soviet armored threat. Air power, rotary winged air power, Bradley's, Abrams, and infantry carried anti tank weapons. We have shown what our equipment can do to com block equipment in '91 and in the 200's.
There are claims the Iraqis used the at-14 against us in the early 2000's . They are not all they are cracked up to be in terms of accuracy.
In terms of armored warfare the Abrams is top notch and no where near obsolete.
Looks at us strategy against the soviet armored threat. Air power, rotary winged air power, Bradley's, Abrams, and infantry carried anti tank weapons. We have shown what our equipment can do to com block equipment in '91 and in the 200's.
This post was edited on 3/30/14 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:30 pm to H.M. Murdock
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In terms of armored warfare the Abrams is top notch and no where near obsolete.
Except for that it is a tank!
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:31 pm to lsu480
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Except for that it is a tank!
Tanks are not obsolete.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:33 pm to H.M. Murdock
This post was edited on 3/30/14 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:37 pm to H.M. Murdock
Some of that was my handiwork.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:37 pm to Darth_Vader
I like, if you have any of your own pic please post them. 
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:43 pm to H.M. Murdock
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I like, if you have any of your own pic please post them
I wish I had some pictures but actually my view of the ground war was limitied almost all to only what I could see through my gunner's sight. Here's where I spent virtually the whole war....
And here's what the world looked like to me....
I didn't even own a camera.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:45 pm to Darth_Vader
Just doing god's work.
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