re: Old Fashioned? Tips for ordering at a bar?

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Martinis = gin, obviously. And you must have the proper proportion of vermouth. Those that use only a " breath" of vermouth should just drink straight liquor cause they're not drinking a martini.

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So I'm assuming you have a formula for a breath?

I don't think it's "obvious" that a martini is gin. I can find as much documentation saying vodka is fine as I can for gin.

And for what it's worth I drink good gin martinis as well. Matter of fact I am having brunch at Diguilios and will step over some invisible line and have a nice gin martini this morning. Hell, I might have two, I've got a driver.

And I do agree that flavored aren't true.