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re: Who here is against St George?

Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:35 pm to
Posted by LateArrivalforLSU
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:35 pm to
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It looks to me that they are trying to better there quality of life

Their. GD.
Posted by Golfer
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:36 pm to
- A few years ago a southeast BR school district tried to form. It was primarily everything south and east of i10/12. Independent school districts need legislature approval. State Legis said no. Primarily because it was highly segregated.

- state law says you can avoid legislature approval if the district is in a municipality. That's what they are in the process of doing.

- state law also says that if a district is portioned off from another district, Those residents in the current and portioned district must approve of the release.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:40 pm to
Thank you.

It would seem to me that it might be in the legislature's best interest to approve an independent school district if there is a chance St. George may leave.
Posted by Asgard Device
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:40 pm to
Russian, did you see the louisianavoice blog about the St George organizer mysteriously getting a no-bid contract from the state a month after agreeing to run point on the campaign to get a new city?

State officials are looking forward to controlling the new city. :)
Posted by urinetrouble
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:41 pm to
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while I know engineering grads from Woodlawn, McKinley, and Scotlandville.


This can't be right. According to the OT, sending your kid to an EBRPSS school is not an option and would lead to a life of inescapable dysfunction.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:42 pm to
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Someone explain this to me.

Okay.
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These people obviously want their own school district.
Two of the three main promoters of the proposed city don't even live in the area that will become the new city. So, who are "these people" you refer to?
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They obviously are a large portion of the tax base.
Not really. None of the largest 5 property taxpayers in the parish is in the SG area. The sales taxes collected in the Bluebonnet retail district (Mall of La, Perkins Rowe) are not paid BY the SG residents but by shoppers from all over the area. Besides, that retail area will be incorporated into BR before it can leave to be in another city. That is already in the works. That will reduce SG's tax revenues by more than 50% of its budget.
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The St. George citizens with higher taxes, or BR without the tax base?
False dichotomy.
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It seems like the legislature may want to just give them the schools and avoid all this mess.
A new school district is not up to just the legislature. It requires a constitutional amendment that voters must pass statewide AND within EBR.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:45 pm to
OK. So what's the answer? People want better schools. EBR is not doing it. How is it going to get fixed? A lot of people see what is happening in Zachary and Central and wonder why their kids can't go to schools like that.
Posted by Ironbat31
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:50 pm to
Why cant it just stay the way it is.>? Wont ST George destroy private schools?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:59 pm to
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Russian, did you see the louisianavoice blog about the St George organizer mysteriously getting a no-bid contract from the state a month after agreeing to run point on the campaign to get a new city?

I did not know it until I read the link you posted in this thread. I guarantee you Bodi White was hip deep in making sure that Rainey got that no bid contract and that the contract specs were gerrymandered to allow the contract to be awarded without a bid.

It's especially enlightening to learn that Rainey is also a partner with a convicted felon who has already bilked taxpayers out of millions of dollars.

How in the hell White and Rainey ever expected to keep their crooked affairs secret amazes me.

Hubris, I suppose.

The same hubris White displayed when he pushed through a tripling of his legislative pay right after he got re-elected in 2008 (which Jindal ultimately vetoed) and also when White introduced a bill to increase the amount lobbyists could spend buying a legislator a meal from $50 to $100/meal because, as White said, "you can't get a decent meal in Baton Rouge for $50."
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:15 pm to
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People want better schools. EBR is not doing it.

EBR schools ratings improved by a full letter grade from school year 2012 to 2013. More improvement is needed but I believe the federal courts destruction of the EBR school system is finally being reversed.

The settlement of the 4 decade long deseg lawsuit only went into effect in 2009. The school board is finally able to run the schools again. And to assume the schools in St George will automatically improve if they are removed from EBR is a risky assumption.

The Baker schools got worse after they broke away.

Both Central and Zachary school systems increased their school property taxes substantially after they broke away. Zachary's school taxes almost doubled. Central's increased by about 60% and Central is considering another new tax to be voted on this May.

The SG website says no new taxes will be needed. Yeah, right....

And SG schools already have some of the better ratings for non-magnet schools in the EBR district. Both Parkview and Shenandoah Elementary are A rated.

A news article last week said there are 2,000 SG area students who currently attend EBR magnet schools all of whom will not be eligible to continue to attend their current schools if SG sets up its own school district.

How is that helping those kids and parents if the SG schools break away?
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:17 pm to
St George is a fricking awful idea

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:21 pm to
I don't know many people that mind paying taxes for better schools. As long as the money goes to the schools in their district. I certainly don't mind. It's still cheaper than paying for private school.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:21 pm to
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The SG website says no new taxes will be needed. Yeah, right....



that's a gigantic load of bullshite too

as think about emergency services... slashed in half...

oh you're bleeding out? kids got a seizure?

yeah, we'll get someone out when we can...
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:23 pm to
Doesn't St. George FD already handle that area?
Posted by Ironbat31
Member since Jul 2013
805 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:24 pm to
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week said there are 2,000 SG area students who currently attend EBR magnet schools all of whom will not be eligible to continue to attend their current schools if SG sets up its own school district.


This will screw over the OP's niece
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
128377 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:27 pm to
I agree. Thankfully it is losing steam.

The promoters just two weeks ago announced they will no longer report how many signatures they have on their petition. They've been working on it for 5 months now and after a fast start, the signatures have dropped off to a trickle. They need 18,000 signatures and the last report, before they went silent, was they had about 10,000 signatures.

By comparison, the mayor recall petition in Port Allen last year had the necessary 25% of signatures in less than 3 months.
Posted by LaBR4
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:28 pm to
The chances of years down the road this going through? I give it a 10% chance. I 've not really kept up, have a few FB friends that post the, "come sign the St. George petition today at.." I just don't see it happening. Too many factors will keep it from going through.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 10:30 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
128377 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:32 pm to
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I don't know many people that mind paying taxes for better schools.
Not every property owner has school age kids. And commercial property carries the property tax load, not residential property.

Commercial real estate is assessed at a 50% higher rate than residential property and it has zero homestead exemption.

The business property owners in the SG area are very nervous what their property taxes might increase to if the incorporation happens.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:33 pm to
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that's a gigantic load of bullshite too

It's laughable that people actually believe that.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:34 pm to
And all those new businesses that flock to St. George would be eligible for 10-year prop tax exemption anyways.
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