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re: Obama wants to let low-level drug offenders out of prison
Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:57 pm to Janky
Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:57 pm to Janky
quote:That's where I am. Now, I am not opposed to lessening the sentences of certain non-violent crimes but if you are in prison for 40 years for trafficking crack cocaine; deal with it. You should have known what the possible penalties were when you did the crime.
do the crime, do the time.
Our state had a "truth in sentencing" law that went into effect back in the 80s that said you had to do 85% of your sentence. Our prison population has more than doubled since then. We have since relaxed that a bit and it helped and they are trying to do more house arrest instead of imprisonment. But if nothing comes of that, still no one to blame but the criminal.
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:25 pm to Diamondawg
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40 years for trafficking crack cocaine
Do you even know what the definition of "trafficking crack cocaine" is?
When I was researching drug policy in DC, we had what we called a "candy bar" sentence.
It illustrated how much possession of crack it took to get 10 years. MANDATORY.
50 grams.
Who is imprisoned more for crack: white or black?
Who uses more crack in the US: white or black?
Some poor people get life in prison for dealing drugs.
Life.
In.
Prison.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:27 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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Some poor people get life in prison for dealing drugs.
Good. Pushing drugs is one of the most evil things you can do IMO.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:30 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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Some poor people get life in prison for dealing drugs
Don't....Deal....Drugs!
Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:33 pm to Janky
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Don't....Deal....Drugs!
What do you recommend they do? Let me guess: "Rabble rabble get a job!"
Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:34 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Good. Pushing drugs is one of the most evil things you can do IMO.
Drugs have always been a part of society, and they ain't going anywhere.
We have more people overdosing and dying from pharmaceuticals than heroin and coke be a number of ten. Addictions to pharmaceuticals are rampant, and scripts are being written by the day for more.
I'm sorry you have had a loved one become an addict, but addiction should be treated, not incarcerated.
And, making drugs legal would end the black market and regulate the product like all other intoxicants and mind-altering substances. I'm not saying it's foolproof, but we cannot continue these policies of mass incarcerations. It simply is not working.Drugs are everywhere, and any time you lock up a dealer, even forever, someone in a poor community is there to take his/her place.
And there will always be someone waiting in the wings.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:42 pm to PRK
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Let me guess: "Rabble rabble get a job!"
Is that such a bad thing? BTW, some rich people get life in prison too fo rdealing drugs. Economic status should not matter.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:44 pm to Janky
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Is that such a bad thing?
Do you think most poor people are lazy?
Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:46 pm to PRK
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Do you think most poor people are lazy?
Answer my question.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:48 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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How many people are in Angola and are kept under severe conditions unjustly?
I don't know, how many? What do you consider unjust?
Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:50 pm to Janky
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Answer my question
The majority of the people arrested and sentenced for dealing drugs are low-level pushers.
They sell rather than get a low paying, menial job.
They see the short road they are on because it is a their environment.
If we got the major dealers, drug amounts would go down. They are at an all time high, and access to narcotics has never been easier.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:52 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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The sentencing project
Is their a more up to date evaluation of this? That study was done a decade ago. I would like to see some fresh statistics.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:54 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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The majority of the people arrested and sentenced for dealing drugs are low-level pushers.
Also known as criminals
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They sell rather than get a low paying, menial job.
Their choice. They are still breaking the law
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They see the short road they are on because it is a their environment.
Because they choose the easy route instead of work and school
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If we got the major dealers, drug amounts would go down. They are at an all time high, and access to narcotics has never been easier.
probably so, The low level guys should give info to help the cops work up the chain. Instead they would rather keep their cred. You know, frick the police
Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:54 pm to PRK
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What do you recommend they do? Let me guess: "Rabble rabble get a job!"
YES. Why is getting a job so unfathomable, but committing a crime is a-ok?
Posted on 1/30/14 at 2:06 pm to Janky
quote:I don't normally use the word ignorant here, simply because I think it is overused but you are ignorant.
the crime, do the time.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 2:07 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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For as much criticizing as we do about the guy and his policies, we must give credit where credit is due.
Agree.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 2:07 pm to CherryGarciaMan
Horse shyt.
These drug dealers arw violent criminals, they are blowing each other away but they are non violent.LOL.
Obama is preparing the USA to diminish so that Europe will come foward as the Big Dog, whether he realizes it or not, that is what he is doing.
Illegals, drug culture approval, baby murder, abdication of responsibilietcetc etc.
These drug dealers arw violent criminals, they are blowing each other away but they are non violent.LOL.
Obama is preparing the USA to diminish so that Europe will come foward as the Big Dog, whether he realizes it or not, that is what he is doing.
Illegals, drug culture approval, baby murder, abdication of responsibilietcetc etc.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 2:08 pm to CherryGarciaMan
Why does this sound more like a racial devide issue than a drug issue?
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Offenses involving crack, which was disproportionately used in black communities, carried more severe penalties
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usually with crack and almost always a minority.
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Who is imprisoned more for crack: white or black?
Who uses more crack in the US: white or black?
Posted on 1/30/14 at 2:11 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Pushing drugs is one of the most evil things you can do IMO.
You going to line up the "pain management" doctors, too?
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