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re: Hitler's Speeches With Subtitles... An Incredible Leader and Horrible Man.

Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:52 am to
Posted by Champagne
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:52 am to
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National Socialism had nothing in common with socialism except the name. It was pure fascism. In fact Hitler's rise to power was in part due to his opposition to socialism. This is well documented.


What is well documented is your ignorance.

I watched Hitler's youtube speeches and I read the words coming directly from his mouth. His message is one of pure socialism/collectivism/leftism. That's documented in the youtube speeches from the OP.

Now, I grant you that, in practice, National Socialism did not end up being a purely socialist model of governance. It started out as a fairly radical left wing ideology, but, once cooperation from some traditional German industries and institutions was needed for consolidation of political power, some "non-socialist" elements were adopted.

But, getting back to your first sentence -- it is profoundly ignorant for you to think that Naziism had "had nothing in common with socialism except the name". That is totally uninformed, and to believe such nonsense, one must ignore practically every Hitler speech and Nazi party social policy.

I know that you and your Lefty brothers have always wanted people to believe that Hitler was a
Right Wing Radical, but, the NSDAP was founded as a left wing party.

But, our little debate misses the main point of Nazism, which was really neither fascism nor socialism, it was Racism. Racist hatred of Jews was the overwhelming driving force of the ideology. IMHO, Nazism's primary reason for existence was to persecute the Jews.
Posted by Iona Fan Man
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 1/12/14 at 2:15 am to
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Racist hatred of Jews was the overwhelming driving force of the ideology. IMHO, Nazism's primary reason for existence was to persecute the Jews.


such a small part of it. he wanted people of like goals




think about ALL your immigrants...are they here for America, the freedoms, the vote/voice....or the money?

When people take without planting......then the fields lie barren. If they take from your crops, but plant theirs behind fences.....then you are left with nothing, while they mock you for letting them.

The first power of an organized people is to decided whom they considered family. This was Hitler's message IMHO....he exercised punitive measures vs just forced migration...which made him the bad guy.

Think about the USSR...another group of strangers trying to make it but pointing fingers at each other.....Red vs Blue...more pointing, each appealing to a different demographic family with there own absolutes.

We have no problems with the socialist idea of send our kids to public school in "st george" but the idea of sending your kids to public school in BTR city is "forced upon me"?

Was Hitler's Germany better than what he inherited?
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 4:40 am to
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What is well documented is your ignorance.

I watched Hitler's youtube speeches and I read the words coming directly from his mouth. His message is one of pure socialism/collectivism/leftism. That's documented in the youtube speeches from the OP.




I too have watched many, many, many hours of Hitler speeches and I have spent many, many, many hours reading and listening to scholars hold forth on this subject and you are simply wrong. Hitler rose to power by being opposed to socialsim. He did, in fact, begin his rise to power as a infiltrator into socialist organizations in Munchen and was financed by wealthy German industrialists who feared a soviet style revolution taking place in Germany....not an unfound fear at the time.

Germans, especially those of Bavaria and Franconia, were very much influenced by Rhetoric from the Left after the first world war. Hitler convinced a group of wealthy political leaders in Munchen that he could infiltrate these groups, identify the leaders and sway the rhetoric to a more nationalistic, pro-German, anti communist one, which he most assuredly proved capable of doing.
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