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re: Chris paul.. 2nd best pg ever?
Posted on 8/21/13 at 5:23 pm to corndeaux
Posted on 8/21/13 at 5:23 pm to corndeaux
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Paul has a higher PER, a higher REB %, a higher USG %, a lower TO %, higher Win Shares according to BR (103 to 87 with Paul playing ~100 less total minutes), and a higher WS/48 .244 to .206.
none of those stats really matter. They won't list those at his Hall of Fame induction. It will be "2nd all time in assists (probably 3rd), 2nd all time in steals, and the only PG to have 20,000 points and 10,000 assists (maybe)"
I don't think there's an argument yet that he can be the 2nd best pg of all time. Quit comparing him to stockton and compare him to Kidd.
they will probably be right by each other in assists and steals, CP will have more points, probably won't have a championship, or an MVP to help, he won't be anywhere near the rebounds of Kidd, and Kidd has a championship, 2 other championship appearances where he was the best player on the team, and he's 3rd on a list for 3 pointers behind Ray Allen and Reggie Miller, has made the all NBA team 6 times and all NBA defensive teams 9 times.
The more you look at Kidd's stats, the more you can make an argument that he may be the best PG over Stockton. IT's just hard to ignore Stockton way way ahead on the biggest stat that matters for PG's, assists
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Posted on 8/21/13 at 7:29 pm to TeddyPadillac
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none of those stats really matter.
So PER and turnover rate don't matter when trying to determine how good these guys are, but total assists do? That's just absurd. You seem to be arguing career accomplishments rather than "best", as in how good the guy actually fricking is at playing the game of baseketball
This post was edited on 8/21/13 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 8/21/13 at 8:15 pm to TeddyPadillac
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none of those stats really matter.
wut
So we can only look at total assists and total steals to measure a player's worth?
You realize that teams in the 80s played at a much faster pace and therefore were able to accrue more total stats? quote:
I don't think there's an argument yet that he can be the 2nd best pg of all time. Quit comparing him to stockton and compare him to Kidd.
One guy compared their first 8 seasons. Paul is just as good and arguably better than Stockton through 8 years. He blows Kidd out of the water after 8 seasons. One could argue that he is better than Magic and Isiah through 8 years. 8 years isn't enough to be considered the best, but Paul is a HOF if he never plays again.
Paul has arguably the best stretch of any pg ever from 07-09. Those two seasons are pantheon level.
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You seem to be arguing career accomplishments rather than "best", as in how good the guy actually fricking is at playing the game of baseketball
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