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re: Troy
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:37 am to lsufan9193969700
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:37 am to lsufan9193969700
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Why are you telling this to me?
because i was too lazy to scroll up
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:41 am to Akit1
Immortality..TAKE IT! ITS YOURS
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:43 am to WicKed WayZ
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the only guy I was pulling for the whole movie, hoped everyone else died.
Hmmm... were you unfamiliar with "The Iliad" going in?
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:46 am to oldcharlie8
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patroclis was NOT achilles' cousin. he was actually his lover. back then....christianity hadn't put the "gay" rules into effect yet. i've read alot about achilles in the past.
I think it has already been established that the movie did not stick to the books/mythology. However, this thread is about the movie...and in the movie, Patroclus is Achilles' cousin.
And as far as Achilles and Patroclus being lovers, Homer does not necessarily portray them as such. Many other writers viewed their relationship as pederastic, but this wasn't uncommon in Ancient Greece.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:50 am to WicKed WayZ
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that fight scene between Bana and Pitt is one of the more underrated in movie history.
Easily
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:15 am to oldcharlie8
quote:His mother was thought to be Achilles' half sister, so he was actually his uncle.
patroclis was NOT achilles' cousin.
quote:Contrary to modern gay propaganda, the only form of "gayness" tolerated by the Greeks was the ritual man/boy love in which the seed of the mentor was "planted" in the pupil, thereby completing his ascent to manhood and enabling the pupil to be verile.
christianity hadn't put the "gay" rules into effect yet.
The greek word for the bitch translates to "wide arse" and the word for the butch translates to "hairy arse." Full-on homosexuality was not looked upon highly. Male companionship (friendship) was seen as more significant because women were not equal in society. Ergo, epic buddy stories have always been common, and throughout all cultures, from Gilgamesh and Enkidu to Riggs and Murtaw.
The activists are always trying to pull this shite with Alexander, Atilla and others. They even tried it with Napoleon, but he was such a famous horndog that they were forced to give it up.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:19 am to brmark70816
I rooted for him because he delivers one of my favorite insults in movie history.
"You sack of wine!"
"You sack of wine!"
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:33 am to brmark70816
I wanted him to die as quick as possible so I could stop watching Pitt's overacting. And I'm not a Pitt hater
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:57 am to brmark70816
just to provide the morality play,
Achilles dies because he lacked compassion for Hector's corpse.
In the real story, no one escaped & Paris dies. Helen cries for forgiveness & shows her tits & is spared from death.
Also, all this trouble was started by Eris, who provided the "for the fairest" golden apple as payment for not being invited to the wedding. Paris chose Aphrodite who gave him Helen.
Achilles dies because he lacked compassion for Hector's corpse.
In the real story, no one escaped & Paris dies. Helen cries for forgiveness & shows her tits & is spared from death.
Also, all this trouble was started by Eris, who provided the "for the fairest" golden apple as payment for not being invited to the wedding. Paris chose Aphrodite who gave him Helen.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 11:04 am to Tigah in the ATL
Even in the book, Achilles is annoying, especially at first.
He goes and cries near the sea because Agamemnon stole his woman.
That's an honor thing.
He didn't really care about the girl; he had like a dozen in his harem.
He goes and cries near the sea because Agamemnon stole his woman.
That's an honor thing.
He didn't really care about the girl; he had like a dozen in his harem.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 11:08 am to blueboy
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Contrary to modern gay propaganda, the only form of "gayness" tolerated by the Greeks was the ritual man/boy love in which the seed of the mentor was "planted" in the pupil
That's kind of a big thing to tolerate FWIW
Posted on 5/25/13 at 11:48 am to biglego
quote:Their society would be confusing and a bit frightening to most people - a combination of unbelievably staunch and unforgiving conservativism and gaudy decadence.
That's kind of a big thing to tolerate FWIW
A young mathematician was once famously drowned in the river by his peers for threatening to reveal that they had no solution for the square root of 2, for frick's sake. These were not simple agrarians.
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