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re: Lost finale

Posted on 5/23/13 at 9:42 am to
Posted by Uncle Stu
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Posted on 5/23/13 at 9:42 am to
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I have an issue with that theory. Is the "purgatory" in the far far future? The people that were dead were in there, I got that. But, the people alive were in there also.

the "purgatory" as you call it, is usually referred to as the "flash-sideways." Think of it sort of like an alternate-reality, one that doesnt exist in our reality. Also, you have to suspend any notion of linear time as you're used to it. Everyone in the flash-sideways is dead in our reality......if you toss out the concept of linear time

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How did the man in black become smoke?

the mother was both Jacob and the MiB incarnate. She contained both the good and evil aspects of protecting the island. When she passed on her powers, she split her powers between the boys. The evil smokey part doesnt need a body, it can exist as a person, horse, rocking chair, or just smoke.

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What was that statue? I thought it was an egyptian goddess of fertility

just a statue, it has very little to do with the story


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What were the pockets of Electromagnetism?

magic...space and time magic

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After the light was restored, why didn't Jack heal?

the island was done with him

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Jack never said words to the water for Hugo.

thats how Jacob ran things - Jack didnt need to do things the exact same way

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Time travel on the island. WTF? Never explained.

the island is magic.....space and time magic

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Whitmore actually had no role at all in anything.

??? did you watch all the episodes

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The show never looked back on those two that were buried alive

writer's discretion to sweep under the rug a couple of mistakes and poorly received character arcs

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The mechanism at the bottom of the Orchid, who built that for the time travel?

the long long ago people. they put the wagon wheel there to mix the water and the light. Not sure if they truly understood how/what it would do, as they were simply trying to tap into the energy to get off the island.

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The Dharmi Init. had no real role.

??? you sure you watched all the episodes

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Did it actually do anything positive?

pretty sure it had a key role in the Incident.

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why didn't he just do what Desmond and Jack did to the light and kill his brother?

mommy crazy made it so they couldnt harm each other - she clearly clearly stated this....you sure you watched the show?

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A little communication could have helped a lot of situations.

no shite - 100% agree

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Why were there dead people still on it? (Michael) Could they not move on?

the Island wasnt done with them

this will make it easier



This post was edited on 5/23/13 at 9:47 am
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22237 posts
Posted on 5/23/13 at 10:09 am to
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As Christian Shephard said: Jack: And everyone else, they're all dead too? Christian: Everyone dies, Jack. Some before you, some long after you. Jack: Are they all here now? Christian: Well, there is no NOW here.


Ok, I must have missed a few parts as I was washing dishes as well.

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the mother was both Jacob and the MiB incarnate.


makes sense.

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The creators have come out and said that the Egyptians discovered the Island long ago


ok that is what I thought. I read a little on screenrant and it said the same thing. I just thought that the figure (Tawaret) had a significance since she was fertility god.

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Whitmore and Dharma actually had no role at all in anything.

??? did you watch all the episodes


Really on what scale did they provide anything to the story? If Jacob would have brought Desmond to the island to eventually take the stone out, why didn't he just tell Richard or Desmond himself to do it so he could kill MIB and be done with it and preserve the island. All Charles did was want to get back to the island. He did and didn't provide any help to the story. Really just a fluff piece for intrigue.

The Dharma Init. was the same. They were there but actually had no actual part in the story beside fluff. They were just there to "try" to harness the power.

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Time travel on the island. WTF? Never explained.


If the Jughead exploded and took out the Swan station. What happened to the future? In Fringe, it would change all the timelines and create an alternate universe. I believe JJ Abrams "fixed" that in Fringe.

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Made sure the survivors came to the Island and put a ton of events into motion.


If Jacob could see that far, why didn't he just tell everybody what they needed to know in the first place.

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Jacob couldn't do it, and neither could MIB. He couldn't take the cork out without being killed.


He could have just told Desmond when he got to the island...

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The Island is basically the gates of hell. If the Island sank and was destroyed, darkness would have consumed the Earth. It's not surprising then that spirits of the dead would hang out in a place like this.


So it's basically like the river Styx.
This post was edited on 5/23/13 at 10:14 am
Posted by JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
15825 posts
Posted on 5/25/13 at 8:06 pm to
I wrote this after the finale aired:

The way I interpreted the ending of the series was that everything we have witnessed over the course of the series (the island, flashbacks, flash-forwards) was the actual life of the various cast-aways. The sideways world on the other hand was as Christian told Jack, “A place they created so they could all be together” and the light emitting through the church doors I take it was heaven. However, if that were the case, why create a place where Sayid and Kate were in jail, a pregnant Sun is shot in the stomach, and Locke is still in a wheel chair? Christian explains to Jack that there is no past, present, or future (which explained how some characters like Kate and Hurley were allowed to be present inside the church despite still being alive). These thoughts on time were very similar to the novel, The Slaughter House Five. Knowing this, it makes the flashbacks, present timeline, and flash-forwards all the more special.

The church scene is something I interpreted as a place where only good people are allowed into. Many may question why Sayid was allowed in after everything he did but we get a clue to this earlier in the episode when Hurley tells him he is a good person. This explains why Ben was content staying outside of the church. It also explains why people like Michael and Ana Lucia were not seen inside. As Michael said earlier in the season, those who did bad things were not allowed to move on and had to remain on the island for eternity as the whispers. I believe that had they not killed the Smoke Monster and let him finally “go home”, that instead of entering heaven at the church gates, they would all be entering hell instead. To me, the church scene was eerily similar to the Sopranos episode, “Blue Comet”. In it, Tony is dreaming and stays outside of a church where his dead cousin is inviting him in. The audience can hear the voices of Tony’s dead relatives emitting from inside the church. When asked if he will come in, Tony says it isn’t time yet.

As an ending to the series, I could not ask for anything more. I thought the ending to Lost was beautiful, sweet, and touching but I cannot help feel that the producers left out so much information. While the ending was incredibly moving and was able to be both spiritual and philosophical, it merely ended the story. It did not bother with answering the many questions that had been littered throughout the series. Off the top of my head, I can only think of two mysteries that were answered (Why Juliet said “It worked” and why Jack’s neck was bleeding). Despite all of this, it was still a phenomenal way to end the series, I have no complaints there. What I do have a problem with was season 6 as a whole. I just feel that they treaded water with the flash-sideways arc and that it could have been condensed in half the time. The producers may claim that they didn’t have time to answer all of these “minor” questions but they could have if they didn’t drag things out such as taking half the season for someone to finally be enlightened in the sideways universal and limiting the temple scenes. On a side note, in the season 6 premiere, when Flight 815 is experiencing turbulence, Rose tells Jack he can let go now. I think this is the actual moment that Jack died and what transpires in the side-ways world is actually the in-between world between their actual lives and heaven.

Several questions still remained. If this list seems extremely long, it only validates my point. Way too many questions went unresolved. This begs the question of why bother introduce a mystery if you have no interest in concluding it? Now, whenever I watch repeats, I cannot help but pick these errors out which will interfere with my ability to enjoy the story. I get that many of these mysteries were introduced before the series had an end date and they were trying to stretch out the series as long as possible but I cannot help but feel some of the filler in season 6 could have been tossed in place of the following puzzles:

The rules were never explained why Jacob and the Man in Black (who was never given a name, by the way) were not allowed to kill each other. The same can be said for the rules governing Ben and Widmore’s relationship. The mom said if people got to the light, everything as we know it would be over. We saw Jack and Desmond get to it and nothing bad happened. Who was in the cabin and who broke the ash to let them out? We never learn why Sun said “It’s him” when she saw Locke upon arriving to the hospital shortly after being shot. We never were told how Walt was special or how he appeared as “Giant Ghost Walt”. We never were told why mirrors were so prominent in the side-ways world. It was never explained how Jack saw Christian off-island in the hospital in the flash-forward or how Michael saw Christian on the freighter. I assumed this was the Smoke Monster but we were later told he cannot leave the island. We never got the answer to why Libby was in the mental institution in the original timeline. When the castaways were in the outrigger when they flashed threw time, they were being shot at by another outrigger. We never got to see who it was who was shooting them despite a number of instances where this could have been addressed. Instead of Illana dying in a pointless death that we have already seen with Artz, why couldn’t she have been the casualty of Juliet’s bullet on the out-rigger?

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