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re: ATL Thread: Opening Day April 26th, 1995 Giants at Braves
Posted on 4/12/13 at 11:02 am to Master of Sinanju
Posted on 4/12/13 at 11:02 am to Master of Sinanju
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but Id take Justice right now.
Ok, let's just tackle this nonsense right now.
First:
David Justice was 23 years old when he debuted in the bigs.
Jason Heyward is 23 this year... 4 years into his career.
Second:
Jason Heyward has already racked up a more valuable season than Justice EVER did (2012 based on fWAR). Further, his rookie season was worth nearly as much as Justice's career highs (which came in his mid 20s, an age Heyward is yet to reach).
Saying you'd take Justice is basically saying, "Oh, I'd take Honus Wagner over Babe Ruth" in 1919, cause "Honus' career averages are better." Just kind of a nonsense thing to say.
Heyward could very well turn out to not be as good as David Justice, though I highly doubt it, considering he's already amassed almost a third of Justice's entire career worth... by the age Justice was just starting his career.
This post was edited on 4/12/13 at 11:03 am
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Posted on 4/12/13 at 11:04 am to OBUDan
I'm not saying I'd take Justice. But you are reading WAY too much into WAR
Posted on 4/12/13 at 11:32 am to OBUDan
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First:
David Justice was 23 years old when he debuted in the bigs.
Jason Heyward is 23 this year... 4 years into his career.
Which is another point in Justice's favor, if the question is who would you start April 1995 Justice or April 2013 Heyward (not just who is the better overall player). JH has never slugged over .500 - DJ had 5 times at that point. JH has never had an OPS over .850 - DJ had five times. We all know Heyward leads the league in "potential", but I would start April 1995 Justice over him today.
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Saying you'd take Justice is basically saying, "Oh, I'd take Honus Wagner over Babe Ruth" in 1919, cause "Honus' career averages are better." Just kind of a nonsense thing to say.
No, I'm saying I'd start the player in his prime over the guy who has not yet reached his.
Posted on 4/12/13 at 12:01 pm to OBUDan
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ason Heyward has already racked up a more valuable season than Justice EVER did (2012 based on fWAR). Further, his rookie season was worth nearly as much as Justice's career highs (which came in his mid 20s, an age Heyward is yet to reach).
The frick is this nonsense?
You're telling me you would rather have Heyward of 2012 over 1993 or 1997 David Justice?
WAR is not the end all/be all stat you pseudo sabremetric nerds like to think it is.
Posted on 4/12/13 at 12:04 pm to OBUDan
quote:
Jason Heyward has already racked up a more valuable season than Justice EVER did (2012 based on fWAR). Further, his rookie season was worth nearly as much as Justice's career highs (which came in his mid 20s, an age Heyward is yet to reach).
Saying you'd take Justice is basically saying, "Oh, I'd take Honus Wagner over Babe Ruth" in 1919, cause "Honus' career averages are better." Just kind of a nonsense thing to say.
no, the question is 1995 Justice vs. 2013 Heyward. I'm going Justice all the way on this one. Heyward has always won the championship trophy for "potential" and he may live up to it, but for now he hasn't.
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