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I'd be very surprised if Ivory is still on the roster Week 1, especially at his current tender. I think the first way to make Ivory a happy camper is a long term contract, which he probably won't get from us,

I agree with the long term contract situation. But Ingram and Ivory cost the same at 2.02 mill. Unless you trust Cadet with taking his spot there's no point not to keep him based off the ability he's shown when healthy and not fumbling.

Just break down the #s by attempts and average from last year:

Player ATT: YPC: YDS:
Ingram, 156, 3.9, 602
Thomas, 105, 4.5, 473
Sproles, 48, 5.1, 244
C. Ivory, 40, 5.4, 217

Compare to 2011 (With Payton, even though ingram was a rookie)

Ingram: 122, 3.9, 474
Thomas: 110, 5.1, 562
Sproles: 87, 6.9, 603
C. Ivory: 79, 4.7, 374

One of these is not like the other, and its Ingram. He showed he was improving, but no one is going to dominate the carries overall, and he is the only one that has shown he can't come in at any point and gain a healthy amount of yards. He needs volume and we aren't going to give it to him.

My crystal ball isn't working so I can't see whether or not he will be happy, but if his production is at or near 2011, I would say he will be fine with that and getting 2 mill. I don't see why we wouldn't pay it. Maybe even split some more of Ingram's carries to boot(wishful thinking). Depth is so important at rb as we saw in Seattle playoff game, and Payton's game plan changes every matchup so pay the man.

Also important to note that Ivory did that in only 6 games in both 2011 and 2012. Ingram in 10 (2011) and 16 (2012). Raises Ivory's health concerns a bit, but he was also healthy and just not active for a substantial portion of last year.

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Posted by mindbreaker

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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:27 pm to Zoltan

I'm not ready to give up on Ingram yet. First year Sean Payton admitted to holding him back on purpose and he didn't call the plays this past year. Ingram is his guy and he stated he really wants the running game back. I wouldn't be shocked to see Ingram getting volume carries more this year to take the pressure off of Brees. Back to back 5000 yard seasons is great for the stat book but it really shows you need to feature the run game more. Think Ivory may just be trade bait. Violent runners are fun to watch but they fade quickly and stay injured. I'm looking at you Marshawn Lynch injury bug coming

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Posted by mm2316

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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:33 pm to Zoltan

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But Ingram and Ivory cost the same at 2.02 mill. Unless you trust Cadet with taking his spot

I just think that $2 mil is better used at another position than a 4th RB. I don't think it would be Cadet picking up his carries, I think it will be Ingram/PT (mostly Ingram) taking more carries.

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the ability he's shown when healthy and not fumbling.

I love Ivory's running style, but it;'s impossible to avoid injuries and fumbles (even though he hasn't fumbled in a game in 2 years) with that type of running style. If he could stay consistently healthy, then I would be all about making him our #1 back.

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Just break down the #s by attempts and average from last year:

I agree that Ivory is more productive than Ingram when given the ball, but the coaching staff has shown over the last couple of years that they just trust Ingram and PT more than him. And if that's the case, like I said above, there's no point of paying $2 mil to a 4th RB.

I'd like to see our give someone a chance to be a lead back and let them establish a rhythm in a game (whether it be Ingram or PT), rather then letting them take 2 carries, take them out, give someone else 2 carries, take them out and put another one in.

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