Deron and Rubio were 21 year old rookies.

Wall, Rondo, Rose, Jennings, Westbrook were 20 year old rookies.

Holiday, Parker were 19 year old rookies.

Nash played 10 mpg.

These guys made huge strides because they were young when they got in the league. They played with NBA players and had NBA coaching.

Lillard spent 4 years at Weber State. He's 22 years old. He developed in the Big Sky conference.

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No average is 13. In the rotation. You must really think Drummnd is the next Wilt then. His PER is off the charts. According to his PER, he should be up for the MVP and is considered #2 center in the game.

Do you think Blatche, McGhee, and Brandin Wright are top 20 players? No, thought not. But according to the PER system they are bonafide all stars and 3 of the top 6 Cs in the game. . Therefore you're entire PER argument is flawed. Robin Lopez is a borderline all star according to PER and is better than Noah, Garnett, Monroe, and Vucevic.

Kyle O' Quinn has a PER of 19.26. He's a borderline all star that averages 4 points and 3 Rebs a game. What a stud.

Im intelligent enough to decipher guys who play 10 MPG and guys who play substantial minutes. I know Drummond has been injured and plays limited minutes. I know Blatche, McGee, and Wright play under 20mpg.

Are you that dense or just that stupid that you cannot understand that?

You don't like the stat that Lillard is 26th amongst PGs who play 25+ minutes?

How about the top 10 guys in PER who play 30+ minutes?

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Paul
4. B. Lopez
5. Duncan
6. Griffin
7. D.Wade
8. Parker
9. Harden
10. Westbrook

derp derp. Those guys are just regarded as the best players in the NBA and are perennial MVPs year in and year out. Such a flawed stat

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Posted by danman6336

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Posted on 3/28/13 at 6:02 pm to GynoSandberg

He played at Weber State. You're really telling me that extra 2 seasons of playing at Weber State aginast that rough and tumble Big Sky schedule made THAT big of a difference in him as a player.

That extra two years of playing Southern Utah and Idaho State just throws the entire argument of rookie PERs just totally out of the window?

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Posted by KG5989

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Posted on 3/28/13 at 6:19 pm to GynoSandberg

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He developed in the Big Sky conference.

Well must of been a hell of a conference considering how he is playing during his rookie year. Age means nothing unless your a 35 year old rookie. A 1st year player is a 1st year player. So since Lillard played college for 4 years and developed some there, he can't develop more in the NBA? Since he was a 22 year old rookie when he got in the league he can't develop anymore. Yea that makes a lot of sense. Horrible premise.

Are you that dense to not understand that the PER is a freaking estimate and its impossible to say how a player will do if he gets X amount of minutes?? Because your awesome PER system doesn't decipher that. That's what PER does. Estimates how good a guy would be if he played X amount of minutes at the pace that he plays actual minutes.

No that stat does not bother me because PER is a flawed system, just like every evaluator. Only #s I look at are the ones that matter, like what the player actually does in games.

These are some of the guys ahead of Lillard who play 25+ a night in the PER list.
Rubio, Collison, Andre Miller, George Hill, Jeff Teague, Holiday, Ramon Sessions, Nate Robinsin, Lawson, Dragic, Isaiah Thomas, Rondo, Conley, Kemba Walker, Kyle Lowry, Eric Bledsoe, Tyreke Evans, Jose Calderon.

There is no way you believe most of thise guys are better than Lillard. Out of all these guys, there might be only 3-4 I would put on level with Lillard. Rondo, Holiday, and Lawson are the only ones for sure. Conley is a great floor leader and good defender, but he can't score that well and averages less assists than Lillard does. Miller was a baller but is getting up there in age. Rubio is good some nights then checks out other nights. Jose Calderon is listed as the #7 PG. Thats laughable. I'm a huge Kemba Walker fan, but Lillard is better than him. He's #12 PG on PER. Lowry as the #11 PG on PER. Not even gonna say anything about that.

And as far as the top 10 go, every player eval index pretty much has the exact same group of players. Not that hard to put that list together.

This post was edited on 3/28/13 at 6:31 pm

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