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To criticize someone ranking the Godfather in their Top 10 is not the same as criticizing someone for ranking Walk Hard, a parody, in their Top 10.

It's exactly the same thing. You're automatically making an assumption that Walk Hard CAN'T be in the Top 10, which, unless you have a proven method of analyzing films, is impossible to stand behind.

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Walk Hard is a funny movie, I laughed my arse off a few times while watching it but its just a cheap parody.

Did it achieve exactly what it set out to do? That's a start.

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Who directed and starred in The Godfathers? Everybody knows that off the top their head. Who directed and starred in Walk Hard? Nobody cares.

Sorry to be blunt, but: Who gives a shite who starred and directed in a film? That has absolutely NOTHING to do with quality or ranking. It just makes a higher quality film more probable.

And even if you did care, look at Baloo's comment earlier, it is spot on: No other director has taken quite the fall of Coppola.

Name me the actors in City of God, a movie that many will call the best modern Foreign language film, off the top of your head. Who cares?

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If someone wants to put a silly movie like that in their top 10 best/favorite movies thats fine, it will just draw criticism like it did in this case.

I'll apologize in advance for getting a little worked up...

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Fenwick86

This is not specifically to you but to the sentiment in general.

This is precisely the issue at stake here. You've already decided that it's "silly" that Walk Hard is in the Top 10 and that Godfather "automatically" deserves such distinction. You don't think that ,quite possibly, you've been bred to believe just that. That culture has automatically given the nod to Godfather, and that you have bought into its "supposed greatness?"

Why? Why automatically?

Now, I get some response, often negative, about the idea that there is such a thing as a perfect film, and that there is an objective (and maybe statistical way) to determine the quality of art. I think it may be true, and Godfather may in fact represent such an outcome.

But if you can already say wholeheartedly that Godfather automatically deserves the top 10 and Walk Hard doesn't deserve the Top 10, then you MUST have figured that equation out. Please tell us, because that's the only way your "silly" comment has any legs.

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it will just draw criticism like it did in this case.

And if you're going to let the "silliness," give you a just reason to argue against Walk Hard, then well....

You're just as silly for letting others tell you how to think. Unless you can write a paper on The Godfather articulating precisely WHY it deserves the Top 10 spot and if you are just going on the FEELING and PERCEPTION that it deserves the Top 10 spot, then you'd be just as silly as someone putting Baby Geniuses in their Top 10.

I repeat, the above is not specifically for Fenwick86. Just that sentiment in general.

Again, sorry for getting worked up.

It's a ridiculous sentiment that Walk Hard in the Top 10 is silly.

Now 2005 Crash on the other hand, that may be silly.

Kidding.

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Posted by Fenwick86

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Posted on 3/6/13 at 7:03 pm to Freauxzen

I was just pointing out that The Godfathers are serious films with an all star cast and director. Of course just those things do not make a movie great but it does help. Looking at your own list seems to prove that. It is filled with movies done by great directors. All were serious, well thought out pieces of work. Monty Python was done by some of the greatest comedic minds in history. Looking at IMDB, I see that Jake Kasdan directed Walk Hard. I actually saw every movie he directed and Walk Hard was his best. None of his movies will be remembered 20-30 years down the road, just my opinion. I called Walk Hard silly because it is a parody that mocks Walk the Line. It was not some well thought out master work of comedic genious. Saying it was silly was not me saying its a bad movie, I like it enough to have seen it multiple times. I did not mean to call out this persons ranking, I was just expanding on what was already said about the ranking.

Your points on The Godfathers perceived greatness are well taken. I have seen The Godfather I (or Jaws, or Goodfellas, or The Wizard of Oz) more than any other movie on my list. My admiration for that movie goes far beyond its critical acclaim. Yes, I could put together an essay arguing its greatness. Apparently, so can you as you already said you would rank it as your 43rd best/favorite movie of all time. Could one put forth an argument for Walk Hard's greatness? I'm not sure. While I disagree with you saying criticizing the ranking of those two movies are EXACTLY the same thing, I am on your side. We cant judge how people rank their movies. Its not fair. I just had to run to the Godfathers defense. Ill save any criticism, futile as it may be, for the final results.

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Posted by Bayou Sam

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Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:06 pm to Freauxzen

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You're automatically making an assumption that Walk Hard CAN'T be in the Top 10, which, unless you have a proven method of analyzing films, is impossible to stand behind.

I agree with your point in theory, but I think that the sentiments "automatic" and "silly" come from the general tendency we have in judging art to assume or demand (usually through argument) that our reactions must be universally appreciated and held. And the Godfather really overpowers people, and Walk Hard...well, for most people it doesn't. And when the gap seems that large, we tend to just assume that the taste of someone who puts Walk Hard in the top ten great movies of all time has really bad taste, either by nature or training or ideology or whatever. I think it's quite fair o assume that someone who puts Walk Hard in their top ten movies of all time, even their top ten "lowbrow" comedies of all time, just hasn't seen many movies.

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