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re: Any other Star Trek:TOS fans hate the Abrams stuff?
Posted on 2/16/13 at 8:05 am to JawjaTigah
Posted on 2/16/13 at 8:05 am to JawjaTigah
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In this movie, they were all green as grass (even immature somewhat) and didn't really know each other or what to expect from each other.
Another offensive aspect of this is the relative disregard they give to Starfleet's organization.
I get they're green. I know the goal of the movie was for us to see Kirk bang the first alien chick, hear McCoy utter the "I'm a doctor, not a..." catchphrase for the first time, Scotty make the first inflated repair estimate, Spock muse on illogical human behavior for the first time... I get all that cliched crap that goes with a reboot.
However, where it lost me was that little of it made sense - the original canon didn't specify, but it is reasonable to assume that perhaps Uhura and Sulu went to the Academy together. But, to keep the crew intact for the reboot, they basically had Kirk go the same time as Uhura and Sulu. Scotty was in a purgatory assignment and McCoy got pulled in - and that was reasonable as in TOS, they are older than Kirk (as is Spock) and it is possible all 3 are senior to Kirk in service - but they all followed specialty tracks (McCoy, especially), and Kirk was on a fast track to command.
But then, it just goes off the rails on a crazy train - Pike "senses" something, and ultimately puts Kirk in command? WTF? So, now he jumps from newly commissioned ensign to O-6, without spending any significant time learning the job?
I understand that reboots are always tricky. I certainly don't expect them to explain every detail or background they changed - there isn't enough time. But what they imply ought to make sense, right?
In TOS, Kirk was VERY young to be in charge of a Constitution class at 35 - after 12 years of service. Obviously he made quick work of his ensign and lieutenant assignments, and was rapidly moved into a First Officer job to groom him for command. That is part of the Kirk legend - he was quickly identified as a future captain and moved up accordingly. However, it was because of demonstrated potential and performance under fire. Not some magical intuition that Pike has about an alternate reality version of this punk kid.
Little about the 2009 movie made any sense. Whatever entertainment value it might have had was lost in this (at least for me).
This post was edited on 2/16/13 at 8:06 am
Posted on 2/16/13 at 11:37 am to Ace Midnight
quote:While I understand your feelings and all, and respect your opinion, I can't help but want to say since the whole Star Trek/Kirk thing is all literature anyway (even on video) there's gotta be a sort of "willing suspension of disbelief" that kicks in - even where there are loose ends and inconsistencies. So that the two versions can exist and yet not offend. At least for me. Which is why I can enjoy and appreciate both for what they are/were/and will be.
Whatever entertainment value it might have had was lost in this (at least for me).
Good discussion all around.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 2:38 pm to Ace Midnight
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But then, it just goes off the rails on a crazy train - Pike "senses" something, and ultimately puts Kirk in command? WTF? So, now he jumps from newly commissioned ensign to O-6, without spending any significant time learning the job?
I agree with this entirely.
I don't care how good he was as a temporary Captain. There is a track in any military organization and he would have to be on it that to see promotion. He certainly couldnt go from O-1 to O-6 in a matter of a few days. The only angle I can think of was Nero devastated the fleet and there were a shite ton of battle field promotions (much like World War 2 when are armed forces suddenly expanded to millions of men and suddenly you had a shite ton of very young Generals).
Beyond that though I really thought JJ did a good job with capture the spirit of the Original Trek.
Then again I was never much of a fan of anything past TNG...
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