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re: Tevin Lawson to accept greyshirt?
Posted on 2/21/13 at 9:00 am to MOT
Posted on 2/21/13 at 9:00 am to MOT
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I do know that was the one with the self imposed restriction due to the Hicks/NCAA investigation.
What you also have to consider, and I do not know, is they may have allowed them to lift the restriction for an EE because of how they handled it.
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What other evidence is there?
Think I have a post in this thread that outlines some of it. I'm tied up for the next hour or so. I'll post it then, or you can look at my post history.
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Posted on 2/21/13 at 10:01 am to Indiana Tiger
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Indiana Tiger
I looked back through a little of the post history and found the quote/article I mentioned previously. In my opinion he clearly differentiates between the two limits, but the writer inferred something different. The quote is copied below and I've added bold to what I believe are the key points. The writer should have phrased the question in official terms to get a more clear answer.
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“If a player signs, he counts without regard to whether or not he actually enrolls,” SEC spokesman Charles Bloom said in an e-mail Monday. “ ‘Back counting’ is only permitted for mid-year enrollees who are able to be included as an initial counter for the academic year in which they enroll . ‘Back counting’ is an artificial term for this discussion and not accurate as the question is about the signing limit.”
It seems to me Bloom is acknowledging two separate limits as he specifically uses the different terms and even points out that backcounting doesn't necessarily belong in the discussion about the signing limit.
I saw you mention in one of the posts that LSU could just be being cautious, and I agree. I just don't think that automatically means their interpretation is correct.
We should get a better idea when we see how many are taken in 2014 now that we know how the numbers should work with each interpretation.
Posted on 2/21/13 at 10:09 am to Indiana Tiger
Below is from a post I made about a week and a half ago:
I'm nearly certain that we could only sign 27 because we could only backcount 2 because the SEC treats LOIs like initial counters for these purposes. So the answer is 25, including Lawson if he accepts the greyshirt, and as pointed out that would take quite a bit of attrition.
My only reservation, and it's extremely small, with backcounting 2 is that I can read the rules like the rest of you and 4 seems like it should be allowed. But the SEC can implement this rule as it chooses as long as it is more restrictive, and the evidence strongly supports that they have restricted it.
First, this is from an article published in Jan 2012 ( SEC Clarifies Rules on Back Counting Recruits):
When I saw this for the first time, I didn't think he really answered the question because of his little diatribe on back-counting. Now, with all the other evidence, I believe he did answer the question with the first sentence. The other evidence I speak of includes:
o Reports that Ponamsky and Shea have said we only back counted 2,
o we signed exactly 27
o Miles saying we were thru
o Lawson (we could sign him now with no penalty if 4 were true)
o Rumors of a grey shirt offer to Willis, which is the only thing we could offer after signing day if 2 were true.
And I'll add that I haven't seen, although I haven't really looked, any other SEC team deviating from this either.
I'm nearly certain that we could only sign 27 because we could only backcount 2 because the SEC treats LOIs like initial counters for these purposes. So the answer is 25, including Lawson if he accepts the greyshirt, and as pointed out that would take quite a bit of attrition.
My only reservation, and it's extremely small, with backcounting 2 is that I can read the rules like the rest of you and 4 seems like it should be allowed. But the SEC can implement this rule as it chooses as long as it is more restrictive, and the evidence strongly supports that they have restricted it.
First, this is from an article published in Jan 2012 ( SEC Clarifies Rules on Back Counting Recruits):
quote:
“If a player signs, he counts without regard to whether or not he actually enrolls,” SEC spokesman Charles Bloom said in an e-mail Monday. “ ‘Back counting’ is only permitted for mid-year enrollees who are able to be included as an initial counter for the academic year in which they enroll. ‘Back counting’ is an artificial term for this discussion and not accurate as the question is about the signing limit.”
When I saw this for the first time, I didn't think he really answered the question because of his little diatribe on back-counting. Now, with all the other evidence, I believe he did answer the question with the first sentence. The other evidence I speak of includes:
o Reports that Ponamsky and Shea have said we only back counted 2,
o we signed exactly 27
o Miles saying we were thru
o Lawson (we could sign him now with no penalty if 4 were true)
o Rumors of a grey shirt offer to Willis, which is the only thing we could offer after signing day if 2 were true.
And I'll add that I haven't seen, although I haven't really looked, any other SEC team deviating from this either.
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