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re: This is what a program in decline looks and feels like...

Posted on 1/1/13 at 3:51 pm to
Posted by FlyingTiger06
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2004
1897 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 3:51 pm to
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The program is stagnant. It's stagnant at a good level, but it's not a championship program. For some that's fine


Go ask Nebraska fans how it turns out for you when you fire a coach after going 9-3 because that's not the "championship level you demand." They fired Frank Solich and went out and tried to make a homerun hire with an NFL coach who would bring in a new high powered NFL offense to replace the tired, 70s era power running offense. Bill Callahan proceeded to make that program a joke and they are still trying to recover today.

Look, I'm as frustrated about the loss as anyone but and yes some improvements need to be made (on both sides of the ball) before next season, but the program is not in decline. The sky is not falling. Going off your steak analogy, this season is the equivalent of asking for your steak to be cooked perfectly to a medium rare and getting it slightly more toward medium. Do you complain and ask for a new steak? Probably, but you don't demand the chef be fired because the steak wasn't exactly up to your demanding standards.
Posted by ps101
Shreveport
Member since Aug 2005
2194 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 3:57 pm to
Tell in plain language just what the hell adjustments the idiot Les Miles will make? LSU is a top 10 team with top talent that has been outcoached and schooled on national TV for 2 consecutive bowl games.
Posted by nf
Portland, OR
Member since Oct 2012
520 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 4:58 pm to
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Go ask Nebraska fans how it turns out for you when you fire a coach after going 9-3 because that's not the "championship level you demand." They fired Frank Solich and went out and tried to make a homerun hire with an NFL coach who would bring in a new high powered NFL offense to replace the tired, 70s era power running offense. Bill Callahan proceeded to make that program a joke and they are still trying to recover today.

Look, I'm as frustrated about the loss as anyone but and yes some improvements need to be made (on both sides of the ball) before next season, but the program is not in decline. The sky is not falling. Going off your steak analogy, this season is the equivalent of asking for your steak to be cooked perfectly to a medium rare and getting it slightly more toward medium. Do you complain and ask for a new steak? Probably, but you don't demand the chef be fired because the steak wasn't exactly up to your demanding standards.




I don't recall saying anywhere in there I want to see Miles fired. I'd like to see the entire offensive staff replaced, and a new DB coach, and I'd like Miles to relinquish any play-calling duties he might currently have.

But even if he was fired, a coaching change isn't a death knell. You mention Nebraska. How about Ohio State going from Tressel to Urban? Florida going from Urban to Muschamp and bouncing back to an 11 win regular season in only 2 years? Stanford going from Harbaugh to Shaw and staying right at the same level? Oregon going from good under Belloti to outstanding under Kelly?

I don't think he will be fired though, but LSU will slowly decline relatively as programs like Tennessee, Auburn, and Ole Miss rebound and it gets harder to win week after week. Offensive recruits will look elsewhere because they know they won't get a chance to shine at LSU. We will slip to 7 or 8 win a year status, and eventually a change will happen, years later than it should, and a new coach will have to rebuild the program and convince recruits that LSU is where they want to be all over again.

To complete the steak analogy, if I kept going to that restaurant and they kept giving me steak cooked incorrectly, I'd probably quit going there. Which is close to where I am with LSU football right now.
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