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That's squarely on Spags.

So I guess Spags was responsible everytime a player was out of position this season or that it was his fault he had to start Shanle & Herring due to injuries for three games? I guess it was also his fault Greer missed all of training camp & three games to start the season too because of sports hernia? I guess he should have prevented Greer's injury so he wouldn't have had to start a 5th round pick at corner at corner either. I guess he responsible for Hawthorne's & Casillas' injuries against KC too? That damn Spags refused to let his players remain healthy so that they could grasp, grow & adapt to his scheme. He must have been working with Goodell to help sabotage this season.

He said games are won on gameplanning on Mon & Tuesday. I didn't know Hawthorne and Casillas were in charge of that. I thought Spags did the gameplanning. And if you're pinning this defense issues on Hawthorne and Casillas, youre argument isn't going to hold much water. They aren't Ray Lewis or Troy Palumalo... Oh wait, those guys were out and the defenses without those superstars weren't as bad as ours.

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Yeah, the offense wasn't as consistent this season either. The point you & others with your opinion can't seem to understand is that the Saints offense was #1 in passing & #6 in rushing in '11. That offense was more consistent & had more long drives then the '12 version. The result was getting dominated in time of possession. There were far too many 3 & outs or 4-5 play drives that resulted into nothing this season. If any of Gregg Williams defenses would have played with a Saints offense that was as inconsistent as this year's unit was then we would have saw similar results. More snaps = more opportunities to give up big plays. Usually the Saints offense dictates the pace & flow of a game. Without Payton, that just wasn't the case this season.

So it's the offenses fault we couldn't stop the run?
It's the offenses problem we couldn't rush the passer?
It's the offenses fault we couldn't tackle?
The offense played well in a bunch of games and we still gave up 30+ points.
I'll concede that the offense and special teams didn't help the defense at times, but at a certain point they have to help themselves. This defense sucked. Plain and simple. And I didn't see anything that gives me hope for next year other than maybe Payton scores 75 points a game so our defense giving up 30 points per game.
BTW, Saints were still top 3 in yards per game and points per game, so stop blaming the offense.

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Gregg Williams stay in New Orleans did more harm then good. The defense is suffering from this coward's inability to scout defensive personnel. His defensive draft choices is what has the defense looking at lack of talent on that side of the ball. Instead, idiots want to place the blame on Spags who just finished his first season as DC.

I agreed it was time for him to go, but I can't see blaming the defense on Gregg Williams. Who did he fail to scout? Jordan? Jenkins? Who should we have picked in those spots? Those guys were the best available at the time.

I think idiots give Spags an unqualified pass for the worst defense I've ever seen. Has a first year DC ever done as bad as Spags? He has to have some accountability in all this.

And yeah blues, I agree. I don't think SP will put up with another season like this. But as far as I'm concerned, he did nothing this year. But I'm willing to give him another year to turn it around some.

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Posted by BigBrod81

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Posted on 12/31/12 at 3:53 pm to Suntiger

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He said games are won on gameplanning on Mon & Tuesday. I didn't know Hawthorne and Casillas were in charge of that. I thought Spags did the gameplanning. And if you're pinning this defense issues on Hawthorne and Casillas, youre argument isn't going to hold much water.

Yeah, so having players that are penciled in as starters out with injury while they are still trying to adapt to a new system, wouldn't cause setbacks for the defense? Not to mention that the replacements for Casillas & Hawthorne were the two worst OLB in the league in Shanle & Herring. Let's not forget Greer's injury forced a 5th round pick to start at CB on opening day.

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So it's the offenses fault we couldn't stop the run? It's the offenses problem we couldn't rush the passer? It's the offenses fault we couldn't tackle?

I never said or implied that the defense was great. What you can't seem to comprehend is that offense failed to compliment the defense this season. This team has been built as an offensive team by an offensive mind. You seem to forget that the defense came up with several crucial stops in several different games this season giving the offense a chance to win the game. When given the chance, the offense shite the bed every opportunity they had.

Let's just forget Drew's pick in a one possession game late in the 4th quarter against the Redskins. Let's forget the offense went 2-11 on 3rd down that game as well.

Let's forget Drew's pick 6 early in the game at Carolina which ended up being a one possession defeat. Let's forget the redzone struggles in that game too.

How about the offense going 5-13 on third down against the Chiefs including 0-6 on their final 6. During that stretch, Drew a pick inside of the Saints 5 that set up a Chief's TD & there was safety mixed in too.

Do you remember the Green Bay game & offense's struggles in the redzone? Do you remember the defense making a stop late in the game giving the offense a chance to pull the game out? After driving into Packer territory, Sproles drops what would have been a 1st down plus on 3rd down. Then Dave Thomas holds as Hartley makes what would have been a go ahead field goal but instead they get backed up & Hartley misses the longer field goal.

How about the defense's two goal line stands in the 2nd half at Tampa when offense decided not show up for the 2nd half?

My point is the defense made plays when they had to. The offense didn't capitalize when the defense gave them those opportunities. In a normal season with a Payton designed offense, that would have been good enough.

These are the draft classes under Williams. There's plenty defensive duds & some guys didn't even pan out.

2009 Draft Class

1 Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
4 Chip Vaughn S Wake Forest
4 Stanley Arnoux LB Wake Forest
5 Thomas Morstead P Southern Methodist

2010 Draft Class

1 Patrick Robinson CB Florida State
2 Charles Brown OT USC
3 Jimmy Graham TE Miami (FL)
4 Al Woods DT LSU
5 Matt Tennant OG/C Boston College
7 Sean Canfield QB Oregon State

2011 Draft Class

1 Cameron Jordan DE California
1 Mark Ingram RB Alabama
3 Martez Wilson LB Illinois
3 Johnny Patrick CB Louisville
7 Greg Romeus DE Pittsburgh
7 Nate Bussey LB Illinois

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