So I guess Spags was responsible everytime a player was out of position this season or that it was his fault he had to start Shanle & Herring due to injuries for three games? I guess it was also his fault Greer missed all of training camp & three games to start the season too because of sports hernia? I guess he should have prevented Greer's injury so he wouldn't have had to start a 5th round pick at corner at corner either. I guess he responsible for Hawthorne's & Casillas' injuries against KC too? That damn Spags refused to let his players remain healthy so that they could grasp, grow & adapt to his scheme. He must have been working with Goodell to help sabotage this season.

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As I said in my previous post. It's the same players as last year and we weren't this bad.

Yeah, the offense wasn't as consistent this season either. The point you & others with your opinion can't seem to understand is that the Saints offense was #1 in passing & #6 in rushing in '11. That offense was more consistent & had more long drives then the '12 version. The result was getting dominated in time of possession. There were far too many 3 & outs or 4-5 play drives that resulted into nothing this season. If any of Gregg Williams defenses would have played with a Saints offense that was as inconsistent as this year's unit was then we would have saw similar results. More snaps = more opportunities to give up big plays. Usually the Saints offense dictates the pace & flow of a game. Without Payton, that just wasn't the case this season.

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I think Gregg Williams overachieved with these players.

Gregg Williams stay in New Orleans did more harm then good. The defense is suffering from this coward's inability to scout defensive personnel. His defensive draft choices is what has the defense looking at lack of talent on that side of the ball. Instead, idiots want to place the blame on Spags who just finished his first season as DC.

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Posted on 12/31/12 at 3:02 pm to BigBrod81

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That's squarely on Spags.

So I guess Spags was responsible everytime a player was out of position this season or that it was his fault he had to start Shanle & Herring due to injuries for three games? I guess it was also his fault Greer missed all of training camp & three games to start the season too because of sports hernia? I guess he should have prevented Greer's injury so he wouldn't have had to start a 5th round pick at corner at corner either. I guess he responsible for Hawthorne's & Casillas' injuries against KC too? That damn Spags refused to let his players remain healthy so that they could grasp, grow & adapt to his scheme. He must have been working with Goodell to help sabotage this season.

He said games are won on gameplanning on Mon & Tuesday. I didn't know Hawthorne and Casillas were in charge of that. I thought Spags did the gameplanning. And if you're pinning this defense issues on Hawthorne and Casillas, youre argument isn't going to hold much water. They aren't Ray Lewis or Troy Palumalo... Oh wait, those guys were out and the defenses without those superstars weren't as bad as ours.

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Yeah, the offense wasn't as consistent this season either. The point you & others with your opinion can't seem to understand is that the Saints offense was #1 in passing & #6 in rushing in '11. That offense was more consistent & had more long drives then the '12 version. The result was getting dominated in time of possession. There were far too many 3 & outs or 4-5 play drives that resulted into nothing this season. If any of Gregg Williams defenses would have played with a Saints offense that was as inconsistent as this year's unit was then we would have saw similar results. More snaps = more opportunities to give up big plays. Usually the Saints offense dictates the pace & flow of a game. Without Payton, that just wasn't the case this season.

So it's the offenses fault we couldn't stop the run?
It's the offenses problem we couldn't rush the passer?
It's the offenses fault we couldn't tackle?
The offense played well in a bunch of games and we still gave up 30+ points.
I'll concede that the offense and special teams didn't help the defense at times, but at a certain point they have to help themselves. This defense sucked. Plain and simple. And I didn't see anything that gives me hope for next year other than maybe Payton scores 75 points a game so our defense giving up 30 points per game.
BTW, Saints were still top 3 in yards per game and points per game, so stop blaming the offense.

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Gregg Williams stay in New Orleans did more harm then good. The defense is suffering from this coward's inability to scout defensive personnel. His defensive draft choices is what has the defense looking at lack of talent on that side of the ball. Instead, idiots want to place the blame on Spags who just finished his first season as DC.

I agreed it was time for him to go, but I can't see blaming the defense on Gregg Williams. Who did he fail to scout? Jordan? Jenkins? Who should we have picked in those spots? Those guys were the best available at the time.

I think idiots give Spags an unqualified pass for the worst defense I've ever seen. Has a first year DC ever done as bad as Spags? He has to have some accountability in all this.

And yeah blues, I agree. I don't think SP will put up with another season like this. But as far as I'm concerned, he did nothing this year. But I'm willing to give him another year to turn it around some.

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