re: Who would you rather for the Saints D-coord

the good thing is we know Payton won't stick with a DC if it isn't working. Gary Gibbs was a personal friend of Payton beyond DC. Letting him go after 3 years I'm sure was a very tough personal decision. It ended up being career defining though. Same thing Williams. He was instrumental in making 2009 the special year it was. That was great and very cool. After not sustaining the success though- change!

There's a rambling thread by Champagne about grading the franchise poorly. I haven't participated in it for my own reasons but there is one point I agree with- settle for nothing less than excellence. I'm convinced we are a top notch franchise committed to that. Payton has already shown the mettle to do whatever it takes not just to get to the promised land but to stay in the hunt consistently and have a shot at the big dance again.