This. Just because someone is/was not in the infantry does not mean that they cannot be quite proficient with firearms. For a few hundred bucks a day a civilian can train with SF operators like Travis Haley (Force Recon) and Larry Vickers (Delta)...hell Haley even comes to the New Orleans area to train every year (Nolatac) I believe. Plenty of guys take training very seriously, spending lots of cash sending thousands of rounds downrange in training every year.

I'm not trying to be a brand whore, but there definitely a difference between a Rock River and a Noveske. I do believe that Noveske is overkill for someone that doesn't plan to shoot it very much, but they are works of art.

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Posted by RATeamWannabe

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Posted on 12/20/12 at 2:59 am to Yat27

Haley has classes in Livingston a year from now, that God willing, I will sign up for if I can get employment in this shitty economy after I graduate.

Also, those that are enthusiastic about firearms and spend their own time and money investing in them are almost always more proficient than those that are not. Police and armed forces are no different, and often no amount of training can overcome the fact that they simply don't have that desire to be proficient.

Not that I believe in the Red Dawn scenario, but there aren't enough elite troops in the world to come house to house in this country and take our weapons. A more likely scenario is National Guard or Reservist. And there is a very large training gap separating those two groups.

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Posted by Propagandalf

Baton Rouge

Member since May 2010

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Posted on 12/20/12 at 9:59 am to Yat27

quote:
Just because someone is/was not in the infantry does not mean that they cannot be quite proficient with firearms. For a few hundred bucks a day a civilian can train with SF operators like Travis Haley (Force Recon) and Larry Vickers (Delta)...hell Haley even comes to the New Orleans area to train every year (Nolatac) I believe. Plenty of guys take training very seriously, spending lots of cash sending thousands of rounds downrange in training every year.

Correct, that is an option...let's see a show of hands of people who have done this. I would say a very very, insignifigantly, small portion of gun owners do something like that. Not to mention a couple of hours training, no matter with who, isn't going to do shite for you when relying on instinct.

My RRA is not a full RRA, but the parts that matter are. I bought the upper used for $300 and then put the lower (Mega Machine) together for about $225. I'll be dead, removed from the situation, or be victorious before my barrel turns to dust because I shot too many round through it. And if this EMP thing happens, you'll be better served laying low and carrying a pistol than running out the house guns blazing every morning. Can someone re-post the article about the guy in South America who actually lives the scenario described and recommends strongly against carrying a rifle.

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Posted by kengel2

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Member since Mar 2004

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Posted on 12/20/12 at 7:00 pm to Yat27

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This. Just because someone is/was not in the infantry does not mean that they cannot be quite proficient with firearms. For a few hundred bucks a day a civilian can train with SF operators like Travis Haley (Force Recon) and Larry Vickers (Delta)...hell Haley even comes to the New Orleans area to train every year (Nolatac) I believe. Plenty of guys take training very seriously, spending lots of cash sending thousands of rounds downrange in training every year.

I'm not trying to be a brand whore, but there definitely a difference between a Rock River and a Noveske. I do believe that Noveske is overkill for someone that doesn't plan to shoot it very much, but they are works of art.

Ive been lucky enough to train with some of these guys. Their classes are worth there weight in gold. I went from 3 ARs to one, a bunch of pistols to 2, etc etc... Training is key and knowing and understanding your gun is priceless.

There is a difference between RRA and Noveske, the average person will never see it. People that actually use their rifles for competitions and duty will appreciate the fact that their rifle will work.

Afterall, rule #10