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re: After the 2nd viewing of each, TDKR >>>>>> Avengers
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:09 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:09 pm to RollTide1987
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That doesn't change the fact that for 2/3 of the trilogy, Vader was the main antagonist. What he did for his son, at least in my opinion, does not make up for all the evil shite he did in Empire, New Hope, and even Revenge of the Sith.
It doesn't change the fact that the story was set-up to be a redemption story for Vader and since you don't count Revenge to exist, can your point even be valid
Regardless of screen time in the trilogy, Palpatine most certainly is the main antagonist. If the trilogy is one continuous story of the Rebels finding freedom from oppression of the Empire then the parallel story is Anakin Skywalker freeing his weight of past sin and slavery to Emperor Palaptine shown even in the scenes in Empire. By the end of Empire, Vader openly talks about killing the Emperor, to the protagonist of the film-Luke. There is no possible way you can consider him the antagonist of the film if he is contemplating. By Jedi he is nothing more than a "yes man".
now back to Bane-whom very much fits the mold of someone taking orders the entire time, Bane has zero motivation to attack Batman/Bruce or Gotham as an individual, but Tailia does the plan was her all along and she is pulling the strings.
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:22 pm to RonBurgundy
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now back to Bane-whom very much fits the mold of someone taking orders the entire time, Bane has zero motivation to attack Batman/Bruce or Gotham as an individual, but Tailia does the plan was her all along and she is pulling the strings.
It doesn't matter who is calling the shots. The main antagonist is the one who is actually one of the focal point of the movie. That's Bane.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:24 pm to RonBurgundy
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Regardless of screen time in the trilogy, Palpatine most certainly is the main antagonist.
How can a villain be the MAIN villain in a film if he/she is rarely seen? Screen time is everything. As absent as Liam Neeson was from the second act of Batman Begins, his character of Ra's al Ghul still had more screen time than the Scarecrow and Carmine Falcone - combined. Can you name more than three action movies where the main antagonist doesn't introduce themselves until the final 15 minutes of the movie?
The main antagonist is someone who is the protagonist's main focus in the movie. Bane was that main focus. All of the attention, throughout the film, is centered on him and his actions. The fact that he may or may not have been getting his marching orders from Talia changes nothing.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:28 pm to RonBurgundy
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Bane-whom very much fits the mold of someone taking orders the entire time
Not really.... Bane agreed to assualt Gotham and Batman out of respect for Talia and there strange prisnor protector relationship.
It clear Bane IS the LOS and not Talia. They are his men and they are willing to die in a plane for him. Bane is a excellent strategist and it shows through out the unfolding of attacks on Wayne and Gotham.
Bottom line... Talia providing the motivation to attack Gotham and Wayne does nothing to undercut Bane running the LOS.
There is no #1 and #2 in the Talia Bane relationship. Bane runs the LOS and Taila provides the motivation to attack Gotham and Wayne.
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