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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

Posted on 7/14/13 at 1:07 am to
Posted by ffishstik
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Posted on 7/14/13 at 1:07 am to
Most of what this guy is saying is in line with most of my theories as well. Very well written, thanks for posting!

One thing that can't be stressed enough is that the impression that Martin will kill any main character at any point is patently false, and this writer does a good of pointing that out. Ned's death was necessary, particularly if the main character is actually Jon. Now, it may appear that he will kill anyone at anytime. After Ned, he hit us with the following:

Arya takes an axe to the back of the head! (oh wait, it was the flat of the axe, she's ok!)

Robb is killed at the RW! (as this writer points out, Robb never even had a single POV chapter)

Catelyn is killed at the RW! (now she's back as Lady Stoneheart)

Bran and Rickon were killed by Theon. (No, these were fakes. Bran and Rickon are still around)

Crap, now they've murdered, Jon! (and ADWD OPENS with Varmyr Sixskins and how Wargs can cheat death, mentions how well Melisandre can perform glamors, gives examples of red priests bringing people back from the dead, and basically gives us numerous options for how Jon can come back, if he even died in the first place).

So, assuming that Jon is back, Ned and Robb are really the only two major protagonists that have truly been killed off. The bad guys are going to die, so they don't count, bet hell, even the Cleganes are still around after we thought they were done.
This post was edited on 7/14/13 at 1:11 am
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
20922 posts
Posted on 7/14/13 at 1:40 am to
I am almost positive that Sansa and Jon are going to meet again. They are the only 2 of the Stark kids who we never really saw have a dialogue in AGOT. And Sansa's changed a lottttt.

quote:

Frog-faced Lord Slynt sat at the end of the council table wearing a black velvet doublet and a shiny cloth of gold cape, nodding with approval every time the king pronounced a sentence. Sansa stared hard at his ugly face, remembering how he had thrown down her father for Ser Ilyn to behead, wishing she could hurt him, wishing that some hero would throw him down and cut off his head. But a voice inside her whispered, There are no heroes. (Sansa VI, AGOT)
[Sansa] had not thought of Jon in ages. He was only her half-brother, but still… With Robb and Bran and Rickon dead, Jon Snow was the only brother that remained to her. I am a bastard, too, now, just like him. Oh, it would be so sweet, to see him once again. But, of course, that could never be. Alayne Stone had no brothers, baseborn or otherwise. (Sansa III, Alayne II, AFFC)


I definitely believe that Ned is the Dumbledore/Obi Wan Kenobi to ASOIAF...he wasn't meant to live for the whole series, and I really like that comparison of Ned to Dumbledore, in that Harry had to fight Voldemort himself; Dumbledore guided him and prepared him for it though. Kind of similar to Obi Wan and Luke as well.

I could definitely see Jon 'meeting' Ned while he is unconscious, like Harry Potter met Dumbledore when he was 'dead'. He had a choice to either die or go back, and he chose to go back and defeat Voldemort. Not sure if this is GRRM's style, but I could see Jon meeting Ned and finding out some truths, but not readily accepting them. I think Bran will meet/see Ned in the next book and possibly find out about Jon's parentage.


The Stark line is going to once again rely on the female line to continue on, similar to the Bael the Bard story.
This post was edited on 7/14/13 at 1:43 am
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