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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 7/6/13 at 2:03 pm to shinerfan
Posted on 7/6/13 at 2:03 pm to shinerfan
There's that story too, but I think that it was a ruse. Her body was never recovered and the story is flimsy. Plus, no version of that story (there are several) has Ashara being in love with a prince.
So, going with my theory (and I know that there are others with similar theories), Lyanna throws herself from the tower, they bring her broken body up to her bed, Ned arrives just before she dies. He swears to take care of her child. From the Wiki:
What if they passed off the rumor that Ashara had given birth to Ned's bastard to give a cover story for where Jon came from? And, let's say that Ashara's child had actually lived. Let's also say that the man who had "dishonored" her wasn't just any man. What if it was Aerys Targaryen?
So, going with my theory (and I know that there are others with similar theories), Lyanna throws herself from the tower, they bring her broken body up to her bed, Ned arrives just before she dies. He swears to take care of her child. From the Wiki:
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After the events of the Tower of Joy, Ned Stark went to Starfall to inform House Dayne of Ser Arthur's death and return to them his greatsword, Dawn. Ashara jumped from the top of one of the towers of Starfall, called the Palestone Sword, on the cliff atop the sea. Her body was never recovered.[2] After these events, Ned Stark returned to Winterfell with the infant Jon Snow, whom he claimed as his bastard son, refusing to name the child's mother. This sparked rumors that Ashara had been the mother of Stark's bastard[3], and that grief at learning that her lover had been responsible for her brother's death was the cause of her suicide.[1][2]
Ser Barristan Selmy believes that Ashara gave birth to a stillborn daughter. According to Selmy, a man dishonored her at Harrenhal during the tourney and got her with child. Selmy's account is ambiguous. In Selmy's account, it was grief at the death of her child, perhaps grief at the loss of the man who "dishonored" her or shame of the "dishonoring" that led to Ashara's suicide. Also, Selmy thinks that he could have prevented Ashara's suicide if she had known of his feelings for her; that he thinks would have led her to seek his aid instead of a Stark's aid.
What if they passed off the rumor that Ashara had given birth to Ned's bastard to give a cover story for where Jon came from? And, let's say that Ashara's child had actually lived. Let's also say that the man who had "dishonored" her wasn't just any man. What if it was Aerys Targaryen?
This post was edited on 7/6/13 at 3:41 pm
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Posted on 7/6/13 at 2:58 pm to ffishstik
So...here's the full crackpot theory. It makes sense to me and explains multiple characters:
Ashara has given birth to what is essentially a Blackfyre, the bastard son of Aerys. Ned has the trueborn heir in Lyanna's son Aegon (if, as I believe, Rhaegar and Lyanna had secretly wed). Varys, being Varys, is aware of the goings on and comes to them at Starfall and concocts his master scheme. Targs are dropping like flies and the two children need protecting.
The first two stories that Varys puts out are that Ashara, not Lyanna, leapt to her death from a tower and that she and Ned were lovers. This allows for Ashara to disappear with her child, and gives Ned a story for where Aegon (Jon)came from. Varys enlists the help of Jon Connington, Rhaegar's best friend and Aery's HOTK. He tells Jon that the child that Ashara has is Rhaegar's son Aegon and that he must flee Westeros and keep him safe. Not sure, but Varys may not actually know which child is which himself and may believe that it is Aegon that he's sending with Connington. Posing as Septa Lemore, Ashara goes with him to help protect her son. Varys puts out the third story about Connington fleeing Westeros in shame and Grief over his defeat and Rhaegar's death, which is partly true.
That leaves Ned in Westeros with the true Aegon and a decent cover story. Aegon remains at Starfall and is wet nursed by Wylla until Ned is ready to return to Winterfell. Ned comes up with the name "Jon Snow", possibly "Jon" from the involvement with Connington.
I have a ton of other references that actually support this theory, including the irony of Jon Snow's decision to swap Mance's child with Gilly's to protect the true "prince".
Ashara has given birth to what is essentially a Blackfyre, the bastard son of Aerys. Ned has the trueborn heir in Lyanna's son Aegon (if, as I believe, Rhaegar and Lyanna had secretly wed). Varys, being Varys, is aware of the goings on and comes to them at Starfall and concocts his master scheme. Targs are dropping like flies and the two children need protecting.
The first two stories that Varys puts out are that Ashara, not Lyanna, leapt to her death from a tower and that she and Ned were lovers. This allows for Ashara to disappear with her child, and gives Ned a story for where Aegon (Jon)came from. Varys enlists the help of Jon Connington, Rhaegar's best friend and Aery's HOTK. He tells Jon that the child that Ashara has is Rhaegar's son Aegon and that he must flee Westeros and keep him safe. Not sure, but Varys may not actually know which child is which himself and may believe that it is Aegon that he's sending with Connington. Posing as Septa Lemore, Ashara goes with him to help protect her son. Varys puts out the third story about Connington fleeing Westeros in shame and Grief over his defeat and Rhaegar's death, which is partly true.
That leaves Ned in Westeros with the true Aegon and a decent cover story. Aegon remains at Starfall and is wet nursed by Wylla until Ned is ready to return to Winterfell. Ned comes up with the name "Jon Snow", possibly "Jon" from the involvement with Connington.
I have a ton of other references that actually support this theory, including the irony of Jon Snow's decision to swap Mance's child with Gilly's to protect the true "prince".
This post was edited on 7/6/13 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 7/8/13 at 1:59 pm to ffishstik
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Let's also say that the man who had "dishonored" her wasn't just any man. What if it was Aerys Targaryen?
My only issues with this is that it seems Selmy was suggesting that it was Brandon Stark (as others have said) was the one that "dishonored her".
And while I love me some Selmy, like a lot of POVs/opinions, it certainly makes you wonder just how "dishonored" she was. Maybe she was simply "dishonored" in Selmy's eyes because he was in love with her. Just a thought.
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