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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

Posted on 5/7/13 at 10:44 am to
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Posted on 5/7/13 at 10:44 am to
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I definitely think he used Tyrion to kill Tywin. He wasn't planning on it before that night, but he just took lemons and made them into lemonade. Varys could have easily withheld the information exactly where Tywin's chambers were, but he gave them over pretty eagerly.


Me and Shark disagreed on this a while back (the plan to use Tyrion) - I didn't think he did at all, spur of the moment or not - but when I re-read the escape chapter it was real obvious. Varys with his Brer Rabbit routine while Tyrion was climbing the Tower of the Hand was a hint, but the moved chest in Tywin's chamber was the icing on the cake for me.

Just read your last post - yeah we're on the same page.

As for Shae and the planting...I didn't want to think of Tywin as that blatant a hypocrite with the whores for one, but if she wasn't brought up there by Varys, then it reinforces the "secret tunnel (glory hole :)" for Tywin theory: Tywin wouldn't have walked Shae, not only a whore, but a witness against his own son for Kingslaying, up the main stairwell...I wanted to believe Tywin's hatred of whores stems from what happened with Aerys and Joanna, in his mind all women are whores, you just pay more for some...He was "betrayed" by his wife, the love of his life, and it fricked him up...if Tywin IS this big a hypocrite, it's possible Joanna made a death-bed confession after Tyrion's birth, or he at least had suspicions prior to it and the birth of a deformed child made him believe it whole-heartedly without a confession...Tywin may have even used the common birth-death as an alibi, and in his rage killed her himself - more likely, allowed her to die... I mean, we've established he's a hypocrite...and we all know he'd do anything to protect his legacy...what's killing a "whore" in his mind compared to his befrigged legacy...what if someone found out the great Tywin was a cuckold?

I totally agree that RV poisoned Tywin before-hand...his bowels were shut down for a long time before he died, and all that stagnant poo poo... malodorous.

Yeah I mis-read the 400 yrs before the Rebellion RE: Ice. Swore I saw 100...

ETA: My math was right, I just sub'd Robert's Rebellion when I meant Aegon's Landing.
400 yrs before Robert's Rebellion = 100 years before Aegon's Landing. I knew the 100 came from somewhere...
This post was edited on 5/7/13 at 10:58 am
Posted by manwich
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Posted on 5/7/13 at 11:15 am to
i guess the backup plan for Tywin makes sense. Tyrion already had a huge target on his back for Joffrey. what's one more kinslaying after a kin/kingslaying?
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