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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 4/8/13 at 10:21 am to 19
Posted on 4/8/13 at 10:21 am to 19
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When I first brought up Tyrion Targaryen thy, everyone took issue with Tywin and its effect on his character. I guess I don't get that. In the grand scope of the story, what difference would it make if Tywin was "the evil stepfather" -along with the other important hats he wears? How does this cuckolding change his relevance to the series? It doesn't. It actually adds some humanity to him via sympathy for him, and also rationalize his need for (the appearance of) total control.
I agree with this.
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Last part of my thy is Jon Arryn maybe knew more than anyone suspected, lending several levels of interperetation to his phrase "The seed is strong".
I also agree with this.
I think he was referring to the Targaryen seed being strong and not Baratheon, even though the Baratheons were decedents of Targareons and also strong.
I also don't but Lysa being one ultimately behind Jon Arryn's death, she was pretty easy to manipulate.
Crackpot Theory: Jon Arryn was on to discovering something about a Targaryen decedent, could have been Jon, Tyrion, Aegon, who knows... Varys was probably behind his death and led Ned Stark down the Cersei/Jaime incest road in order to start a war with the Lannisters, Starks, and Baratheons keeping the stability of the throne fragile.
Are we really suppose to believe Varys knew the poison but didn't know the murderer of Jon Arryn?
Pycelle was probably right when he said poison was the weapon of eunuches and women.
This post was edited on 4/8/13 at 10:36 am
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Posted on 4/8/13 at 10:25 am to Hugo Stiglitz
Anyone think someone presumed dead (by the readers) is going to end up not being and playing a part in this series? Like Jon Arryn, Lyanna, or Rhaegar Targaryen?
Posted on 4/8/13 at 10:29 am to Hugo Stiglitz
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I think he was referring to the Targaryen seed being strong and not Baratheon, even though the Baratheons were decedents of Targareons and also strong.
Amen, brother.
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I also don't but Lysa being one ultimately behind Jon Arryn's death, she's was pretty easy to manipulate...Are we really suppose to believe Varys knew the poison but didn't know the murderer of Jon Arryn?
That's an excellent point - I never really questioned Lysa as the culprit, but it makes sense that Varys wouldn't want to instigate instability to that degree before Aegon/ Dany was ready. I mention them both, because I still believe Varys too smart not to hedge his bets, especially if "Mummer's Dragon" means "fake dragon" instead of "fake MAN's dragon"
ETA- Hugo, what about this:
Re-read your thy, and it makes a point - Varys knew that Jon Arryn was getting too close, researching beyond the Lannister incest, which if exposed, would not only shake King's Landing to its core, but could in someway lead to Varys' own identity, as well. To buy time, he had to remove Jon from the equation, knowing Robert would turn to Ned...and that Ned would be satisfied with the Lannsiter incest and stop there, which he did.
Only issue here is we know LF was involved...is Varys so skilled at the game that he could make LF think killing Jon Arryn was his idea, and also lend evidence to make LF believe his own world were at risk if he didn't? and at the same time have LF believe this was his idea and his alone the whole time? The very definition of "Throneception?"
...Varys manipulates Littlefinger who manipulates Lysa who murders her husband.
Very good stuff.
This post was edited on 4/8/13 at 10:44 am
Posted on 4/8/13 at 11:57 am to Hugo Stiglitz
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I also don't but Lysa being one ultimately behind Jon Arryn's death, she was pretty easy to manipulate. Crackpot Theory: Jon Arryn was on to discovering something about a Targaryen decedent, could have been Jon, Tyrion, Aegon, who knows... Varys was probably behind his death and led Ned Stark down the Cersei/Jaime incest road in order to start a war with the Lannisters, Starks, and Baratheons keeping the stability of the throne fragile.
Doesn't either Lysa say in one of the books that Littlefinger and her schemed to poison Jon arryn or Littlefinger admits he was behind it
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