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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 1/19/13 at 12:24 am to NIH
Posted on 1/19/13 at 12:24 am to NIH
I know Lady Dustin has been discussed in this thread already, but I wanted to point something out that I noticed recently about Harwood Stout and Lady Dustin.
During the harvest feast in Winterfell in the second book, Hother "Whoresbane" Umber asks for ships to fight wildlings, and is told to work with Manderly and his fleet. So the Umbers probably have been in contact with the Manderlys since then, and they probably know of Bran/Rickon hiding in the crypts.
Then there is Harwood Stout, who is a petty lord and sworn to Lady Dustin. In a Theon chapter, he notices that "Elsewhere one-armed Harwood Stout talked quietly with the cadaverous Whoresbane Umber." (adwd, p. 536, kindle) Hmm, so what were they talking about? Ten pages later, Lady Dustin asks Theon to go to the Crypts… and notices that some of the swords have gone missing:
Also, Lady Dustin is a Ryswell, and they had men who were killed at the Red Wedding. Ramsey also killed her nephew, Domeric. So she hates Ned more for not bringing her husbands bones home than Ramsay who murdered her nephew and the Freys for the Red Wedding? Sorry, not buying it. I think that's just some cockapoo story to convince Theon she's loyal to Bolton.
She just wanted to go to the crypts to confirm if there were really swords missing from the crypts that Bran/Rickon took.
During the harvest feast in Winterfell in the second book, Hother "Whoresbane" Umber asks for ships to fight wildlings, and is told to work with Manderly and his fleet. So the Umbers probably have been in contact with the Manderlys since then, and they probably know of Bran/Rickon hiding in the crypts.
Then there is Harwood Stout, who is a petty lord and sworn to Lady Dustin. In a Theon chapter, he notices that "Elsewhere one-armed Harwood Stout talked quietly with the cadaverous Whoresbane Umber." (adwd, p. 536, kindle) Hmm, so what were they talking about? Ten pages later, Lady Dustin asks Theon to go to the Crypts… and notices that some of the swords have gone missing:
quote:
“That king is missing his sword,” Lady Dustin observed.
...
Only a little farther on, three tombs were closely grouped together. That was where they halted. “Lord Rickard,” Lady Dustin observed, studying the central figure. The statue loomed above them— long-faced, bearded, solemn. He had the same stone eyes as the rest, but his looked sad. “He lacks a sword as well.”
It was true. “Someone has been down here stealing swords. Brandon’s is gone as well.”
Martin, George R.R. (2011-07-12). A Dance with Dragons: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book Five (p. 546). Random House, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
Also, Lady Dustin is a Ryswell, and they had men who were killed at the Red Wedding. Ramsey also killed her nephew, Domeric. So she hates Ned more for not bringing her husbands bones home than Ramsay who murdered her nephew and the Freys for the Red Wedding? Sorry, not buying it. I think that's just some cockapoo story to convince Theon she's loyal to Bolton.
She just wanted to go to the crypts to confirm if there were really swords missing from the crypts that Bran/Rickon took.
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Posted on 1/19/13 at 6:10 pm to shelly
I think they are looking for an entrance for Stannis' men into Winterfell. The Battle of Winterfell will not be a battle at all-it will be a slaughter just as Ramsay had when he betrayed Theon & Ser Rodrik. The Freys will fall into the ice and Stannis' men will be led into Winterfell under the crypts where they will massacre Bolton troops along with the Umbers, Ryswell, Cerwyen, Manderly, etc. troops.
Posted on 1/19/13 at 9:39 pm to shelly
We are in agreement w Lady Dustin's intentions- she seems to me a Stark supporter working some "strategery"
Good catch about the Stout/Umber/ Manderly connection. I'd missed that. Makes sense that the Stark boys' whereabouts would be shared info in that circle, especially with the Bolton occupation at WF.
I've wondered if Lady D's trip to the crypts/ exchange w Theon had another purpose (besides talking to Ramsey thru Theon/ false fealty). Perhaps she was testing him? Seeing if any of the old Theon remained in this stinking shell he'd become? If any of the things she said made it back to Ramsey, she would have her answer, and one purpose served as well. If he kept quiet, there may be a chance he can be trusted...perhaps a motivation to redeem himself that could be exploited vs Boltons.
If this were the case, it's likely she brought Theon there to show him the missing swords...see what he does with the info...
Or to see if Theon himself would get itchy, giving her any indication that he was responsible for the missing blades - or at least is aiding the kids secretly. She knows he's as familiar with the secrets of the castle, having grown up in WF, as any of the Stark kids.
Just a thought.
Good catch about the Stout/Umber/ Manderly connection. I'd missed that. Makes sense that the Stark boys' whereabouts would be shared info in that circle, especially with the Bolton occupation at WF.
I've wondered if Lady D's trip to the crypts/ exchange w Theon had another purpose (besides talking to Ramsey thru Theon/ false fealty). Perhaps she was testing him? Seeing if any of the old Theon remained in this stinking shell he'd become? If any of the things she said made it back to Ramsey, she would have her answer, and one purpose served as well. If he kept quiet, there may be a chance he can be trusted...perhaps a motivation to redeem himself that could be exploited vs Boltons.
If this were the case, it's likely she brought Theon there to show him the missing swords...see what he does with the info...
Or to see if Theon himself would get itchy, giving her any indication that he was responsible for the missing blades - or at least is aiding the kids secretly. She knows he's as familiar with the secrets of the castle, having grown up in WF, as any of the Stark kids.
Just a thought.
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