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Posted on 6/4/12 at 4:44 pm to
Posted by bobbyray21
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Posted on 6/4/12 at 4:44 pm to
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If you were playing a video game or in a lab constructing a player to exploit Nadal he would come out looking very similar to Delpo


Why do think this? Can you elaborate at all?

I'm a big fan of delpo. I think he's the 4th best player in tennis. He isn't as consistent as Murray, but I think that's largely attributable to the fact that he's injury prone. But if you remember Delpo in the summer of 2009 till the end of the year, he was arguably the best player in tennis. He won 4 US Open series tournaments, I believe. Then the US Open. And then (I think) he won the ATP world tour finals.

I've seen him play and his forehand is otherworldly. It doesn't even make any sense how hard he hits it.

But I can't think of why his game would be kryptonite to Nadal.

Watching Nadal when he is at his very best, I always wondered how anybody could beat him. The reasons that Djokovic had his number is because (a) Djokovic moves just as well as Nadal, and (b) Djokovic has the best return of serve in the game, which takes advantage of Nadal's relatively weak second serve.

I think any player that you create in a lab to exploit Nadal, first and foremost, is going to have to be able to move with him. Otherwise, he'll just get to one more ball.
Posted by dunkelman
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Posted on 6/4/12 at 5:32 pm to
No one is beating Rafa. He was -180 before the tourney started. There hasn't been a line on his matches yet.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/4/12 at 7:36 pm to
quote:

Why do think this? Can you elaborate at all?

I'm a big fan of delpo. I think he's the 4th best player in tennis. He isn't as consistent as Murray, but I think that's largely attributable to the fact that he's injury prone. But if you remember Delpo in the summer of 2009 till the end of the year, he was arguably the best player in tennis. He won 4 US Open series tournaments, I believe. Then the US Open. And then (I think) he won the ATP world tour finals.

I've seen him play and his forehand is otherworldly. It doesn't even make any sense how hard he hits it.

But I can't think of why his game would be kryptonite to Nadal.

Watching Nadal when he is at his very best, I always wondered how anybody could beat him. The reasons that Djokovic had his number is because (a) Djokovic moves just as well as Nadal, and (b) Djokovic has the best return of serve in the game, which takes advantage of Nadal's relatively weak second serve.

I think any player that you create in a lab to exploit Nadal, first and foremost, is going to have to be able to move with him. Otherwise, he'll just get to one more ball.


Your points about Djok matching up so well because of his incredible mobility and unreal return ability are spot on. The reason I would agree that Del Po is such a tough matchup for Rafa is because he's one of the few guys on tour who can generate enough pace on his own to hit through Rafa's heavy ground strokes.

Fed, for example, is a master at taking someone like Del Po's pace and using it against him. However, he struggles some at generating the kind of pace off Rafa's divebombing ground strokes, especially from his one-handed backhand. When Del Po is on, he can take a shot at eye-level and flatten it for a winner. He's one of the few on tour who can do it.
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