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The BBC just nuked Rangers (Update: BBC Documentary Added)

Posted on 5/23/12 at 2:00 pm
Posted by TN Bhoy
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 2:00 pm
Table of EBT beneficiaries


There's more stuff that can be found from the link. Once the documentary that is being aired is available for viewing online, I'll link it.

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Former Rangers owner Sir David Murray was the biggest beneficiary of an Employee Benefit Trust operated by the Murray Group and Rangers FC, according to documents seen by BBC Scotland.

From 2001-10, Rangers put £47m in to up to 87 sub-trusts for players, coaches and staff. Separate contributions were made by Rangers' parent company, MIH.

Sir David received £6.3m via an EBT.

He told the BBC he had never received any payment from any trust which involved contributions from Rangers FC.

The full extent of the scheme is revealed in a BBC Scotland documentary - Rangers: The Men Who Sold The Jerseys - screened on Wednesday at 20:00BST.



UPDATE:


Pt 1 of documentary

Pt 2

Pt 3

Pt 4
This post was edited on 5/23/12 at 3:54 pm
Posted by theOG
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 2:04 pm to
what does all of that mean?
Posted by Harry Pitts
Salt Lake City
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 2:04 pm to
So put simply what exactly did they do?

Take money that wasnt theirs to take?
Posted by UASports23
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 2:04 pm to
more info on EBT Beneficiaries ?
Posted by UASports23
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 2:05 pm to
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what does all of that mean?


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So put simply what exactly did they do?



Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 2:10 pm to
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what does all of that mean?

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What is an Employee Benefit Trust?

A trust enables an individual to own an asset on behalf of someone else. The first person is the "trustee" and the second is the "beneficiary". Company pension schemes are a common example of a trust.

With EBTs, the employer deposits money in to the trust, which is paid out to the beneficiaries in the form of tax-free loans.

Trusts are often postponed and are sometimes refused by the trustee, who is, in theory, acting independently of the employer.

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Payments from an EBT should not be made on a contractual basis, as it would make them part of an employee's salary and subject to tax and National Insurance.

HMRC claims that Rangers' EBT scheme was a tax scam as it was contractual, which forms the basis of the so-called "Big Tax Case".

HMRC also insists it has proof of this in the form of documents and emails between former directors at Rangers and players' agents.

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Between 2001 and 2010, Rangers paid a total of £47.65m in to their Employee Benefit Trust. Details of the amounts paid in to the trust were declared in the club's annual accounts.

Rangers also operated another tax avoidance scheme for two former players, Tore Andre Flo and Ronald De Boer, between 2000-01 and 2002-03 known as a 'Discounted Options Scheme' - commonly referred to as the "Wee Tax Case". HMRC issued Rangers with a bill of about £4m for outstanding amounts owed from the discounted options tax scheme, which was settled, but has not been paid.

BBC Scotland understands the Murray Group paid at least £10m to the trust.

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BBC Scotland has also seen evidence, which was submitted to a court, suggesting that 53 Rangers players and staff had side-letters giving undertakings to fund their sub-trusts with cash.

According to the Scottish Football Association's registration rules, payments received by a player solely relating to his playing activities must be fully recorded and declared, otherwise the player has been improperly registered.

If a player is deemed to be improperly registered, the norm is for his team to forfeit any match in which he has participated.








In sum, Rangers are more than likely going to get their titles stripped and David Murray's going to jail.
This post was edited on 5/23/12 at 3:45 pm
Posted by Harry Pitts
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 2:18 pm to
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 5/23/12 at 2:21 pm to
Blackburn's fricked too:
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Former Rangers player/manager Graeme Souness received £30,000 from the trust in 2001 - 10 years after leaving the club.

Mr Souness led the Rangers revolution in the 1990s, setting the club on the road to their famous nine-in-a-row championship title-winning run, but he left the club in 1991.

Ten years later Mr Souness was managing the English side Blackburn Rovers, and, just five weeks after requesting a payment from the trust, he completed the signing of Turkey international midfielder Tugay Kerimoglu from Rangers.

The BBC has seen files which showed that HMRC suspected Mr Souness's payment could have been illegal in relation to the transfer of Tugay, but it found no additional documentation to verify it.

Mr Souness declined to respond to BBC Scotland's allegations.
Posted by BobLoblaw
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 2:21 pm to
Wow. This is some crazy stuff. Thanks for sharing
Posted by WarSlamEagle
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 2:29 pm to
Ruh roh, Rangers.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 5/23/12 at 3:37 pm to
Pt 1 of documentary

Pt 2

Pt 3

Pt 4
This post was edited on 5/23/12 at 3:54 pm
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 4:56 pm to
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Rangers are more than likely going to get their titles stripped


not going to happen
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 5/23/12 at 5:17 pm to
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not going to happen



So Rangers should go unpunished for years of cheating under Sir Moonbeams?
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 5:45 pm to
quote:

In sum, Rangers are more than likely going to get their titles stripped and David Murray's going to jail.

This is literally my least favorite things about sports.

Yes, I get they did not play by the rules at the time, but they won the title. Do not go back and punish them retroactively. I absolutely abhor the vacating of titles.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 5/23/12 at 5:49 pm to
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I absolutely abhor the vacating of titles.




The title wouldn't be vacated. All Rangers games would be 3-0 defeats. Celtic and Aberdeen would get their rightful titles.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 5:50 pm to
Same thing. It is fricking moronic if they do that. The Rangers were first on the table at the end of the season. That is how it should always be IMO.

I am not for or against Rangers in any way.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 5:53 pm to
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The Rangers were first on the table at the end of the season.


But they cheated.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 6:24 pm to
I am sure they were the only club that broke some rules.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 6:38 pm to
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tax scam
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tax avoidance
I hope they get away with it.
Posted by WarSlamEagle
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 8:50 pm to
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