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re: Great Athletes We May Not Have Seen the Best Of
Posted on 4/7/12 at 11:19 am to burgranger
Posted on 4/7/12 at 11:19 am to burgranger
How has no one agreed that Bobby Jones is the correct answer to this thread?
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Posted on 4/7/12 at 11:39 am to snake23
JaMarcus Russell
Posted on 4/7/12 at 12:14 pm to OBUDan
Ronaldo (We may have seen him at his best, but we didn't see it for as long as we should have).
Michael Owen
Bernard King (I'm not actually old enough to remember this, but I know he had injuries that did hold him back)
Michael Owen
Bernard King (I'm not actually old enough to remember this, but I know he had injuries that did hold him back)
This post was edited on 4/7/12 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 4/7/12 at 12:24 pm to Mephistopheles
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A few soccer players come to mind
Paul Gascoine
Maradona
Ronaldo (fat)
Michael Owen
George Best
Did you really mean to include Maradona here? I don't think I've ever seen anyone dominate a tournament (any sport) like Maradona did in the 86 World Cup. That was easily some of the best soccer (yeah, I know hand-of-god, blah, blah) any player has played.
With due apologies to Pele, Maradona was soccer's GOAT. Unlike Maradona, Pele had a dazzling supporting cast throughout his playing career.
Btw, Messi has MILES to go before he can crack even the top 10, let alone top 5. He can start with helping Argentina win the 2014 WC in Brazil.
Posted on 4/7/12 at 12:27 pm to MSU Dawg
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With due apologies to Pele, Maradona was soccer's GOAT. Unlike Maradona, Pele had a dazzling supporting cast throughout his playing career.
Maradona's '86 tournament was the best ever.
However, his career as a whole doesn't justify him being the best ever.
This post was edited on 4/7/12 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 4/7/12 at 12:30 pm to memphis tiger
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As good as he was, if he had half the drive/work ethic of a Kobe of MJ, he easily would have been the met dominant force the NBA has ever seen.
i think you could argue he was just that even with his problems. i think his work ethic is underrated
he did let himself get fat, but he improved his game as his career went on. by his apex in LA he was an amazing passer
Posted on 4/7/12 at 12:31 pm to MSU Dawg
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Btw, Messi has MILES to go before he can crack even the top 10, let alone top 5.
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Posted on 4/7/12 at 12:34 pm to MSU Dawg
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Did you really mean to include Maradona here? I don't think I've ever seen anyone dominate a tournament (any sport) like Maradona did in the 86 World Cup. That was easily some of the best soccer (yeah, I know hand-of-god, blah, blah) any player has played. With due apologies to Pele, Maradona was soccer's GOAT. Unlike Maradona, Pele had a dazzling supporting cast throughout his playing career.
Maradona in 1986 was the best year ever. However, I am not willing to say that he was the clear cut GOAT. It is just incredibly difficult to tell. At this point, the five best players in soccer history (in no order) are Pele, Maradona, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, and Zidane IMO.
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Btw, Messi has MILES to go before he can crack even the top 10, let alone top 5. He can start with helping Argentina win the 2014 WC in Brazil.
No he does not. I am not even a Messi fan (I <3 CR7), but the dude is terrific. The amazing thing is that he is only 24. Messi has already accomplished so much from an individual standpoint, and he has great success on the club level, as a bonus. Whether or not Argentina wins the World Cup under Messi makes no difference on his individual skill and accomplishments.
Team success does not determine individual worth.
Posted on 4/7/12 at 12:35 pm to ohiovol
I'm not going to argue about Pele over Maradona. I agree to an extent about Pele having a better overall resume. But, oh my, watching Maradona at his peak was a sight fit for sporting gods.
I guess GOAT is a matter of individual's taste (Similar to Federer vs Borg). To me, there is no wrong answer.
I guess GOAT is a matter of individual's taste (Similar to Federer vs Borg). To me, there is no wrong answer.
Posted on 4/7/12 at 12:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Ok, looking back I should have said Top 5. My bad!
Messi has had a tremendous career at club level so far. Yeah, he's only 24 and he has achieved a LOT. If he helps Argentina win the 2014 WC then we could start including Messi in the GOAT discussions. For now, he's an amazing soccer player playing in a great Barca team surrounded by uber-talented stars.
Messi has had a tremendous career at club level so far. Yeah, he's only 24 and he has achieved a LOT. If he helps Argentina win the 2014 WC then we could start including Messi in the GOAT discussions. For now, he's an amazing soccer player playing in a great Barca team surrounded by uber-talented stars.
This post was edited on 4/7/12 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 4/7/12 at 12:44 pm to ATLTiger
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moreso G. Hill though.
Grant Hill being healthy in his prime would have changed the entire post-Jordan trajectory of the NBA.
Posted on 4/7/12 at 1:28 pm to RonBurgundy
i think you could list pretty much every negro league era star in this thread.
there's an interesting passage in the new Mantle biography by Jane Leavey that discusses his knee injury in detail. in the book it reveals that the pain was so intense that Mantle sh*t his pants when it occurred, and it was never properly treated even by the medical standards of the early 50's. He was also a victim of sexual abuse.
there's an interesting passage in the new Mantle biography by Jane Leavey that discusses his knee injury in detail. in the book it reveals that the pain was so intense that Mantle sh*t his pants when it occurred, and it was never properly treated even by the medical standards of the early 50's. He was also a victim of sexual abuse.
Posted on 4/7/12 at 3:08 pm to RonBurgundy
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Grant Hill being healthy in his prime would have changed the entire post-Jordan trajectory of the NBA.
Grant Hill was healthy until he was 28. We saw him in his prime.
Posted on 4/7/12 at 3:09 pm to OBUDan
Jose Reyes
Posted on 4/7/12 at 3:11 pm to ohiovol
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Bernard King (I'm not actually old enough to remember this, but I know he had injuries that did hold him back)
Bernard King is a fantastic example. He blew out his knee as he was reaching his peak. When he came back he was good, but we didn't see his best.
Posted on 4/7/12 at 3:13 pm to bobbyray21
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Grant Hill was healthy until he was 28. We saw him in his prime.
I'm gonna retract this. His best year was right before he started to have difficulty with the ankle. He might have continued to get better.
Posted on 4/7/12 at 3:21 pm to MSU Dawg
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I guess GOAT is a matter of individual's taste (Similar to Federer vs Borg). To me, there is no wrong answer.
There is certainly room for argument in the GOAT debate in tennis. But methinks it a stretch to make that argument for Borg.
Posted on 4/7/12 at 7:53 pm to dukke v
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What the Celts could have done with this guy. A BEAST. FACT.
THIS!
Posted on 4/7/12 at 8:17 pm to OBUDan
Ted williams and Bo Jackson
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