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Is there any chance SEC schools vote against expansion?

Posted on 8/28/11 at 1:28 pm
Posted by Latarian
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 1:28 pm
No flame just wondering if schools really could block expansion with a vote. Thought I heard 9/12 have to approve.
Posted by HawgAlude
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 1:43 pm to
I thought that they just met and said they were happy with the way things are right now?

Posted by Quidam65
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 1:48 pm to
I've heard the same thing, nine votes needed to approve.

I understand the first meeting; that was simply a way to say "we're not making the first move, A&M has to" to avoid being sued by the Big 12-2.

But I just don't see a scenario whereby the SEC receives an application, from a flagship university located in the second-largest state (both geographically and in terms of population) in America, and decides that it is so set on being a 12-team conference that it says no.
Posted by Dr Drunkenstein
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 1:52 pm to
Some guy in a Tulsa paper today said he heard Slive was having a hard time getting to 9 votes. I'm not buying it. No way things get this far along without it being a done deal. In fact, if A&M doesn't have an SEC offer by the start of this season, the university's president would probably get canned.
Posted by windhammontanatigers
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 3:23 pm to
Agree with you hear. I would say the guy in the Tulsa paper just has some misinformation. I believe that Slive is all for expansion and I just cant see him going this far without having everything lined up. I believe (imo) the votes are there for SEC expansion. I believe the previous vote was just a matter of political correctness to let the Aggies officially ask to be out of the Big 12 before the SEC did anything.
Posted by HawgAlude
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 3:30 pm to
what if you are wrong? I thought that too but I think something else is happening which has cause the SEC to drag there feet a little which is why A&M ask to pursue options. I would be willing to bet that A&M is looking at other conferences besides the SEC.

Vandy, Kentucky, the Mississippi schools do not want A&M in our league.

Posted by Uncle Stu
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 3:37 pm to
I know Vandy's opposed for some reason. The local radio guys seem to think that it's LSU and Florida also in that camp. I think they're just making up shite to fill dead air. I almost called in and asked them where they got that line of bullshite

I cant speak for Florida, but if LSU is truly opposed, no way that doenst get leaked on this website
Posted by windhammontanatigers
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 3:42 pm to
I could be wrong. Hopefully not, I relish the reaquaintance with the Aggies as a rivalry. I understand Vandy but why would Kentucky, MSU and Ole Miss be against expansion?
Posted by SunHog
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 3:47 pm to
TAMU better think long and hard about this..

SEC Split $18M

Big12 Split $22M

$1M extra travel costs for TAMU in the SEC, 5, yes 5 SEC schools are over 940 miles away.

Exist fee could be $15M or more (On hook for $28-30M)

TAMU will forgo Cash for Stability and SEC Branding that's the sole reason I see it.

This will be a total screw up if the SEC takes a crappy 14th team.
Posted by Uncle Stu
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

TAMU better think long and hard about this.

you've conveniently left out the window clause in the ESPN contract that goes into effect after the end of the 2012 season
Posted by thatsbaseball
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 4:02 pm to
I`m a State fan and I would guess our folks are about 80-20 in favor of expansion. I am personally for it IF we don`t have to play 9 conference games per year.
Posted by SunHog
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 4:02 pm to
quote:

Uncle Stu
Is there any chance SEC schools vote against expansion?
quote:
TAMU better think long and hard about this.

you've conveniently left out the window clause in the ESPN contract that goes into effect after the end of the 2012 season



What about it?

ESPN already has a contract with the SEC and Big12 lets see if they just want to pay more for the heck of it in that option.

It doesn't matter if TAMU and a 14th team brings an extra $4M per team to the SEC. it's still behind the Big10 with 12 teams and we now have 14.

Posted by windhammontanatigers
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 4:08 pm to
I know I had responded to you on the Rant and Im glad to hear that MSU is mostly all for expansion.. I just dont see how we could get around not playing 9 conference games if we expand to 7 teams in each division. You would have to play your 6 games within the division and then 3 rotating games in the other division. If you only went to 2 rotating games, it could be several years before you met some of the other schools not in your division. I dont know if I would like that.
Posted by thatsbaseball
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 4:17 pm to
Me whinning about a 9th conference game is really kind of a chicken shite attitude but I just know the deck would be stacked against us more than it already is in football. That being said I don`t see why any of the SEC`s real powers would want to play an additional conference game and up their chance of a loss that may cost them a BCS bowl in any given year.
Posted by Uncle Stu
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 4:17 pm to
quote:

lets see if they just want to pay more for the heck of it

it's not "just for the heck of it" - if either party doesnt agree to revisit the contract in good faith, it calls for 3rd party arbitration

Dosh - who's opinion I respect and makes a living off of this - estimates that the revenue to be received by each member of the SEC should expect approx $30 to $33 million a year after restructuring the current deal

She also makes an excellent point that
quote:

the SEC wouldn’t be adding members if it weren’t confident it was getting enough from a new television contract to keep conference distributions at or above current levels.
This post was edited on 8/28/11 at 4:22 pm
Posted by Uncle Stu
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

If you only went to 2 rotating games, it could be several years before you met some of the other schools not in your division

that's what we have now?

5 Division opponents
1 locked East Opponent
2 Rotating East Opponent

If we move to 6 division opponent, all we do is lose Florida and pick up A&M

That works for me. As much as I love knowing we're playing Florida every year, starting up a great rivalry with A&M is much more appealing
Posted by windhammontanatigers
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 4:24 pm to
This is what I can agree with.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 4:45 pm to
quote:

Big12 Split $22M


i believe part of this money contains some of the exit money paid by nebraska and colorado and will not be an annual split going forward in the long run. also, if a&m and a decent team from the east joings, the sec split will increase.
Posted by SunHog
Illinois
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 4:49 pm to
quote:

Uncle Stu
Is there any chance SEC schools vote against expansion?
quote:
lets see if they just want to pay more for the heck of it

it's not "just for the heck of it" - if either party doesnt agree to revisit the contract in good faith, it calls for 3rd party arbitration

Dosh - who's opinion I respect and makes a living off of this - estimates that the revenue to be received by each member of the SEC should expect approx $30 to $33 million a year after restructuring the current deal

She also makes an excellent point that
quote:
the SEC wouldn’t be adding members if it weren’t confident it was getting enough from a new television contract to keep conference distributions at or above current levels.





Thanks for adding to my point.

$33 million divided by 14 = $2.35M

Whoa... Everyone gets $18.1M (Current) + $2.35 with new addition of teams and contracts..

= $20.4M ...

Texas A&M will make more in the Big12 next year than that also the Big10 will still be head of us only 12 teams.

"According to the school's president and athletic director, a move to the SEC could hurt athlete-students' academic performances and might be worse for it financially."

LINK

Posted by Uncle Stu
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 5:01 pm to
read again

it states $30 to $33million each

Dosh is a respected lawyer who not only writes for Forbes mag but has published two books on the financial impact of sports

Solomon is just a columnist


I'll take her stats over his any day

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