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re: UCMJ and this marine question
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:46 am to terd ferguson
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:46 am to terd ferguson
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Is that still the story?
That's apparently one side of the story
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Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:47 am to TheDoc
Dont see how this guy isnt booted from the Marines. He already had a criminal record before this incident and he could very well get charged in this matter. I dont think the Marines want this dbag in their ranks.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:47 am to terd ferguson
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I'm having a hard time wading through all the bullshite...
First I heard that some guy honked, got drug out of his truck and beat... then a marine comes running over to help him and they beat him up and he got kicked in the head. Is that still the story?
Also, is Andrew Lowery the marine?
Yes, Lowery's the Marine. I don't think he was the one in the truck, but that changes fairly frequently.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:48 am to vl100butch
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does anyone know whether the "marine" is on active duty? or is he in the reserves? that has a major impact....if he's a reservist not in any sort of duty status, then UCMJ action might not be relevant....but there are always other things that can be done!!!
This guy was in a high-profile bar fight that has received national attention. A bar fight that he may or may not have instigated.
His name is out there. Whether in uniform or out, you're supposed to represent the branch in which you serve to the best of your ability. So, regardless of his status(reserve/active), you can virtually bet there's no way he gets out of this with any less than an Article 15 from his CO. Now that could translate into a severe reprimand, fatigue detail, a fine, reduction in grade, or any combination of the four, subject to the CO's judgment and discretion.
This post was edited on 8/24/11 at 7:50 am
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:49 am to jpbTiger
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If, in fact, he was dragged from his vehicle and beaten for merely honking his horn
So now the marine was the one honking?
And the Lowery guy is the marine?
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That's apparently one side of the story
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:51 am to lsugradman
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Dont see how this guy isnt booted from the Marines. He already had a criminal record before this incident
Waivers... there are quite a few in the military that have had run-ins with the law. But there is a war going on and the Corps needs bullet sponges.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:52 am to terd ferguson
Its not going to be good for him, for sure.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:53 am to themunch
Please do not speculate.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:54 am to Godfather1
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Whether in uniform or out, you're supposed to represent the branch in which you serve to the best of your ability. So, regardless of his status(reserve/active), you can virtually bet there's no way he gets out of this with any less than an Article 15
If he's a reservist and not on active duty at the time, then the Marines can't charge him....
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:55 am to terd ferguson
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the Corps needs bullet sponges.
Like the Rant needs another smartass...
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:55 am to terd ferguson
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But there is a war going on and the Corps needs bullet sponges.
I don't know anything about this guy other than what I've read on this board and this board is full of nimrods w/ axes to grind.
But from the photos of the guy I've seen (parking lot and ER) preening for the camera like somebody who thinks he's just hit the jackpot, he doesn't strike me as the type who would take a bullet for anybody. Just my take.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:56 am to terd ferguson
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I'm having a hard time wading through all the bullshite...
First I heard that some guy honked, got drug out of his truck and beat... then a marine comes running over to help him and they beat him up and he got kicked in the head. Is that still the story?
Also, is Andrew Lowery the marine?
That's the story if you believe the "friend" of the "victim" from the thread. But as of late there have been a lot of different opinions involving a girl the brad wing was talking to who happens to be andrew's ex. he tried to bother her, ended up punching Wing and getting decked by landry.
at least that's how I've heard it went down, also multiple people have said he got kicked out of shady's.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:57 am to jpbTiger
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If he's a reservist and not on active duty at the time, then the Marines can't charge him....
High-profile fight. Bad for the Corps image.
You can bet his CO is already getting some heat from above to do SOMETHING about it.
ETA: Don't forget that the head of TAF is a retired USMC Major General. I'm sure he's probably made a few calls to his old buddies/subordinates already.
This post was edited on 8/24/11 at 8:00 am
Posted on 8/24/11 at 7:58 am to Godfather1
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You can bet his CO is already getting some heat from above to do SOMETHING about it.
Nothing he can do under UCMJ (OP's original question).
I'm not sure if they can do anything administratively or not - my guess is the worst they can do is something like a letter of reprimand, but even then I'm not sure...
This post was edited on 8/24/11 at 7:59 am
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:03 am to jpbTiger
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Nothing he can do under UCMJ (OP's original question). I'm not sure if they can do anything administratively or not - my guess is the worst they can do is something like a letter of reprimand, but even then I'm not sure...
You know what's another possibility?
If it turns out that he was the guy who sustained the fractured vertebrae (and I'm speculating here - don't know any more than anyone else), they could just go ahead and medically discharge him. That way they can just basically wash their hands of the guy.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:04 am to jpbTiger
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letter of reprimand
This dude would smoke a j with that letter of reprimand. What good is that going to do?
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:06 am to lsugradman
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If it turns out that he was the guy who sustained the fractured vertebrae (and I'm speculating here - don't know any more than anyone else), they could just go ahead and medically discharge him.
I suppose, if he was legitimately too disabled to do his job anymore...
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This dude would smoke a j with that letter of reprimand. What good is that going to do?
I agree, not saying it's right, but that's the bottom line.....Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:07 am to jpbTiger
I'm surprised that none of our Rant detectives has been able to unearth whether this guy was acive duty or a reservist. If he's a local and a reservist, he's likely a member of Weapons Company out at the airport, or maybe a company in New Orleans. It shouldn't be that hard to find out.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:08 am to jpbTiger
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I suppose, if he was legitimately too disabled to do his job anymore...
As I said, they would probably just use that as an excuse to be rid of him. He's looking more and more like an embarrassment all the time.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:13 am to Godfather1
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ETA: Don't forget that the head of TAF is a retired USMC Major General. I'm sure he's probably made a few calls to his old buddies/subordinates already.
You can bet your arse
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