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Thoughts on the movie Insidious (SPOILERS)...and questions

Posted on 7/19/11 at 2:51 pm
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 7/19/11 at 2:51 pm
I watched the other night and commented in another thread, but I am sort of disappointed tha tthere's not much being said about it. I guess not that many are watching it.

I thought the first hour was very well done as far as suspense and scare tactics. The part where that many with the ponytail is walking outside and Renai thinks that it might be Josh and then the fricker comes inside the room. That was pretty freaky. Then, when Renai sees the young boy running through the halls and jumps out the dresser...my heart almost stopped. The first hour had some great Paranormal Activity like moments.

The climax/turning point was cool, but not cool. I did not care for Elise and thought her character could have been played better and even by someone else. The Poltergeist rip-off (male/father to look for young male son, as opposed to female/mother looking for young female daughter) was evident with the two nerds and then the arrival of Elice. There was a bit too much wasted time on the meaning of 'Astral Projection'. The part, though, where Elise puts on the mask and dork #1 translates what she hears on the notepad...along with the spirits showing up was very freaky and topped out as perhaps the freakiest moment of the movie. After that, the movie got a little cartoonish and silly.

The "bad guy" aka "man with fire on his face" definitely had a chilling effect early on and that simply turned into "Really? This is supposed to be scary?" The one part that worked about the second hour was Josh traveling in his own house while he was asleep. The final minutes of the movie were pretty easy to guess.

Things that bothered me or what didn't work about film:

*Barbara Hershey was needed to play Josh's mother? Really? Was this a name to put into the cast in attempt for star points? She looks like a female Mickey Rourke with all of that plastic surgery. Her lines were cheesey and forced and she looked more like Josh's looney older sister than mother. No need in paying her to play that role. Nobody is going to go to a movie because Hershey is in it anyway.

*Ok, so did Renai have some sort of legit singing career? We knew she wrote songs and that she practiced at the piano...but was she a well-known artist or just a lover and hobbyist of it all? Irrelevant to the storyline, but makes her character very flat. All we know about her is that she's seeing crazy shite.

* Josh...he's a teacher. Great. We see him in his classroom with students for 20 seconds. What did he teach? Science? And he stays late to grade tests...as in 11:30 pm late. That's pretty silly and I guess him and Renai being very gray about their careers makes it also hard for me to understand how they could afford to buy a huge house like that with 3 kids. Yes, the house is old, but can't be cheap. A teacher's salary and what else pays for that and then later a brand new one (with quickness when she asked him to move for her)?

*Ok, who were the people that kept popping up with the evil grins and what was behind all that? Were these people who once lived in that house? Josh is traveling and he's downstairs and he sees one daughter pointing a gun (and fricking shooting it) at the others sitting on the couch. Were they haunted for a reason or just thrown in? If you're not following who I am talking about, the father or whoever he was sat on the couch whistling while holding up the newspaper. I mean, at first I thought this was going to be some sort of angle where they died inside the house, but the house wasn't haunted...Daulton was due to being succeptible to travlers.

*Why was the man with fire on his face sewing or molding/casting or whatever he was doing? How does he get an office like that?

*Who was the woman who was following Josh? Just a spirit looking to absorb a body (a parasite as Elise called her)? It would have been a sexier story had we had some sort of knowledge about her and who she was and how she died. The lady crying in the bedroom and the "bride" walking up the stairs...were these just all souls wandering around in "the Farther"? Too many ghosts and not enough answers for me.


All in all, I will give it 2.5/4 stars. It was very entertaining. It falls short of the film it mimiced in Poltergesit. It was much better than several of thse terrible, cheap-thrilled paranormal movies and exorcist rip-offs that have become as infiltrating as vampire garbage. It was scary, but silly and suspenseful, but predictable.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/19/11 at 2:58 pm to
First off, it's a very scary movie. A horror film needs to be judged on that criteria first and foremost. Yeah, it falls apart a bit in the last act, but most horror films cease being scary in the last 30 minutes as they build towards resolution. The setup is the scary part.

OK, and the setup is friggin intesne. I think jump scares are pretty cheap, but this film uses them real well. Becuase once you process the initial jump, it's still pretty terrifying (like the man with the red face appearing right behind the mom). also, the use of music is creepy as hell, especially in the record player scene.

You know what? It doesn't explain a lot of stuff. I'm good with that. Explanations are not scary. quite the opposite. this is a movie that lets the mystery just hover. We learn what we need to know, but most of this stuff is a total mystery. which is even more scary cuz we have no idea what to expect.

Great sense of dread throughout the movie and some great visuals. Probably the best horror movie I've seen since the Ring or the Descent.
Posted by Beaux
Down On The Bayou
Member since Sep 2005
4585 posts
Posted on 7/19/11 at 3:06 pm to

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* Josh...he's a teacher. Great. We see him in his classroom with students for 20 seconds. What did he teach? Science? And he stays late to grade tests...as in 11:30 pm late. That's pretty silly and I guess him and Renai being very gray about their careers makes it also hard for me to understand how they could afford to buy a huge house like that with 3 kids. Yes, the house is old, but can't be cheap. A teacher's salary and what else pays for that and then later a brand new one (with quickness when she asked him to move for her)?


I thought he was staying late because of the chaos that was ensuing at his house , they showed him just sitting there doing nothing. He kind of was overwhelmed with his kid being sick and his wife becoming insane at least that what he was thinking so it was an escape to leave the house and not come home early
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*Ok, who were the people that kept popping up with the evil grins and what was behind all that? Were these people who once lived in that house? Josh is traveling and he's downstairs and he sees one daughter pointing a gun (and fricking shooting it) at the others sitting on the couch. Were they haunted for a reason or just thrown in? If you're not following who I am talking about, the father or whoever he was sat on the couch whistling while holding up the newspaper. I mean, at first I thought this was going to be some sort of angle where they died inside the house, but the house wasn't haunted...Daulton was due to being succeptible to travlers.


This one I don't reaally know but I assumed they lived there before them in the house and haunted the house...not really sure

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*Why was the man with fire on his face sewing or molding/casting or whatever he was doing? How does he get an office like that?


He was sharpening his nails which were long nails or knives for fingers ..aka like freddy krueger, thought he could of been a lot scarier reminded me of a goofy freddy krueger

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*Who was the woman who was following Josh? Just a spirit looking to absorb a body (a parasite as Elise called her)? It would have been a sexier story had we had some sort of knowledge about her and who she was and how she died. The lady crying in the bedroom and the "bride" walking up the stairs...were these just all souls wandering around in "the Farther"? Too many ghosts and not enough answers for me.


I wondered this too but they never said who she was and why she wanted him, i guess he just traveled a lot as a kid in the astral plane and she was trying to gain access to his body
Posted by SJS Eagle 85
P-Town
Member since Apr 2009
5007 posts
Posted on 7/19/11 at 3:08 pm to
First half was scary and entertaining while the second half was like watching an M Night Shamalamadingdong remake of Poltergeist.

Any joy I got from watching the first half was completely sucked out of me and smashed to bits in the second. The scariest part of the movie was just a joke in a bad costume and make-up at the end.

Didn't matter to me that Barbara Hershey played the dude's mom. Bitches gotta work, yo.

Didn't matter to me whether the chick had a singing career or not. It's just as arbitrary as her being a stay-at-home mom.

Didn't give a shite about what the dude taught. Completely non-essential to the plot.

As for the rest of your issues with this flick...man, you have put way too much effort into typing out your thoughts on a 2.5 star movie.
Posted by GWfool
Member since Aug 2010
2400 posts
Posted on 7/19/11 at 3:58 pm to
Agreed, the first hour was done perfectly and then the movie completely fell apart and limped to the finish.

Posted by TCBB3110
Corpitos!
Member since Jan 2011
102 posts
Posted on 7/19/11 at 6:56 pm to
I agree, it was a scary movie. i hadnt been freaked out like that since the end of the ring. the movie had me with goose bumps the entire time. Elise almost took me out of it when i saw her. my first thought was 'hey, thats the landlord lady from kingpin', but i quickly forgot that. anyway... i give it a good 4 out of 5.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 7/19/11 at 8:58 pm to
I tend to be a bit curious and critical. I thought Hershey's acting was subpar and yes, it would have been nice to know if this chick was some sort of superstar or wanna-be.

That aside, this movie went from brilliantly terrifying to weird and silly. I haven't seen a recent movie do that.
This post was edited on 7/19/11 at 8:59 pm
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:05 pm to
What I don't understand about the family that might have lived there before them is what they have to do with the storyline. Was one of them in a coma and got invaded by a traveler? Because the house wasn't haunted...it was Daulton. Had the movie chosen the haunted house route (which I am glad they didn't because that's been done to death), I could understand why those people were such a big part of the movie. Are these people just still hanging out where they all died and it looked like the eldest daughter murdered the parents and other sibling. Did she also kill herself? So, more vital than what Josh taught is the meaning behind all of these ghosts. Were they spirits who were gathering around Daulton the way sharks gather around a dead seal? And why didn't the experienced demon man tell them all to frick off and find their own body?

Just a lot of unanswered questions. When Josh started his entry into the Farther, I really never got an understanding of who all those people were and why they were hanging out at that house....but as I said, maybe they were there because Daulton was an advocating presence.

I think I might even watch this again. I liked it...may like it more with a newfound understanding.


*Also, what was the signifiance of the dude with semi-long hair...the guy who was hanging outside the bedroom window and who later Josh tossed like a rag doll. Was he in any way connected to the fire demon?
This post was edited on 7/19/11 at 9:07 pm
Posted by Augustine313
Member since Nov 2008
1007 posts
Posted on 7/19/11 at 9:37 pm to
I love to watch "scary" movies. That being said, I think the last time I was scared by one was when I was a small child and saw a few scenes from a really low-grade slasher film that scared the bejeezus out of me. I just gave Insidious a watch tonight and found it entertaining, but not exactly what I would consider frightening.

The film's liberal use of jump scares, which have already been labeled as cheap, I found to be generally predictable. If the viewer was in tune with the film and had seen a few similar films they could pretty much predict when they were going to come. Just my opinion.

The first half WAS significantly better; I don't think that's even debatable. The red-faced, Darth Maul/Freddy Krueger mix certainly appeared foreboding, and the way they employed him was about as tasteful as a scary movie can get, I thought.

The second half, however, had my sides aching with laughter. The full revelation of the demon was laughable, at best. The scene where he climbed along the wall was just a disgrace

As for the comments about it borrowing heavily from other, older films, I generally don't get too uptight over that. To me it almost seems like it's inevitable, as there are only so many directions you can go with films of this nature. I just kinda live with it

Overall, I don't feel like it was a waste of my time, but I probably won't tell everyone I meet it's a must see kind of film.

Oh, this is a bit of an afterthought, although it shouldn't be -- the soundtrack/atmosphere music was pretty good. Tiptoe Through the Tulips was certainly an interesting choice!
Posted by TCBB3110
Corpitos!
Member since Jan 2011
102 posts
Posted on 7/19/11 at 10:39 pm to
that lady elise said that the 'empty' physical body is appealling to spirits as a portal. so maybe thats why they were there.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 7/19/11 at 11:56 pm to
One of my ex-gf's/now friend is watching it and won't stop calling me asking me questions. She is getting very freaked and lost her shite during the gas mask/seance scene. I told her to suck it up and finish it. She's absolutely petrified.

Just to frick with her, I said, "Wait until the ghosts cut the father's penis off and feed it to the demon and he uses it to frick himself and make him more powerful than God."
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
37001 posts
Posted on 7/20/11 at 7:59 am to
I thought it was somewhat creepy but there was definitely a point where I was like
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Really? This is supposed to be scary?


I was very disappointed.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 7/20/11 at 9:09 am to
The gas mask scene is friggin terrifying. What a great visual. And I think that was the director's biggest concern -- does this LOOK scary?

It's why it works as a horror film but can't really withstand critical scrutiny. While I agree with you on the weaknesses -- barely sketched out chracters, a fairly indecyoherable plot, actions that make no sense because we are given no motivation for most of the ghosts -- the film still works. and the weaknesses make the movie work as horror because the characters are just cyphers for the audience and unanswered questions are a lot scarier.

An absolutely top notch horror film. Don't ask question, just accept it on the surface level.
Posted by ipodking
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Member since Jun 2008
58457 posts
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:37 pm to
Finally had a chance to see this tonight and it freaked me the F out!. Really scary movie that I will highly recommend to anyone who hasn't seen it.

I didn't have a problem with the astral projection and the Further angles, I thought they were pretty cool. My only issue was why the hell Josh put Dalton down when they got back in the house and told him to go ahead of him. Why make Dalton go upstairs by himself? I yelled "WTF are you doing" at that scene.

What sucked for me was right after the movie ended my neighbors called me from out of town and asked if I could go to their house and check the breaker box. Their house was completely dark and I was walking in there like Shaggy from Scooby Doo with my flashlight totally freaked out, Zoinks!
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