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"Young Bussey, Young Stud" - Book on LSU Quarterback that was KIA WW2
Posted on 5/17/11 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 5/17/11 at 9:55 pm
This is a book on a little talked about LSU quarterback from the 30's, went on to play for Chicago Bears, and was killed in action in the Pacific during World War 2, while saving his entire crew of his landing craft.
Anyone ever read this? I just got a copy today, read 1st chapter so far.
Anyone ever read this? I just got a copy today, read 1st chapter so far.
Posted on 5/17/11 at 9:57 pm to theantiquetiger
No. But when I was looking around online for LSU players who played in NFL Pro Bowls, I discovered that he was one of the earliest ones, and the earliest to do it at QB.
The circumstances might have been somewhat strange due to WWII, but he was a Pro Bowl quarterback based on his season with the Chicago Bears in 1941.
The circumstances might have been somewhat strange due to WWII, but he was a Pro Bowl quarterback based on his season with the Chicago Bears in 1941.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 5:57 am to Doc Fenton
Yes AT I have read the book. Good book but it has draw backs, which in reading the book you will be able to spot them.
I will mail you about Young after work.
I own 2 copies of the book.
I will mail you about Young after work.
I own 2 copies of the book.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 1:50 pm to tigger1
AT, your my idol with all the stuff you have/find...I do my best but cant keep up..btw are you selling all your stuff, I see your ebay listings, just curious, sure you would get a fortune if you sold it all
Posted on 5/18/11 at 5:33 pm to secman12
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AT, your my idol with all the stuff you have/find...I do my best but cant keep up..btw are you selling all your stuff, I see your ebay listings, just curious, sure you would get a fortune if you sold it all
The seller on eBay "theeantiquetiger" is not me, it's some idiot with no original thought.
My eBay name is TheAntiqueTiger, and I sell stuff only when I need to pay for new, high dollar items that I have purchased, like my 1958 Chinese Bandit Sugar Bowl pennant.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 5:49 pm to theantiquetiger
Hey AT, I enjoy reading your posts and seeing what you have added to your collection. You have probably already said many times, but whis is your most prized possession right now?
thanks
thanks
Posted on 5/18/11 at 5:52 pm to canyon
I like his 1905 (maybe 1903) small booklet on the old LSU campus.
I also like the 1911 football team photo item.
I also like the 1911 football team photo item.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 6:01 pm to tigger1
Pretty cool stuff. My Great-great Uncle, E.A. Chavanne was a player/coach and then coach in 1898, sporting an undefeated record! Course, it was only 1-0.
CHAVANNE, Edmund A. M. (C)
- Lake Charles, La., 1896-97-98-99

CHAVANNE, Edmund A. M. (C)
- Lake Charles, La., 1896-97-98-99
Posted on 5/18/11 at 6:11 pm to canyon
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Hey AT, I enjoy reading your posts and seeing what you have added to your collection. You have probably already said many times, but whis is your most prized possession right now?
My most prized possession would be my Pop Strange watch from the 1968 Sugar Bowl. His son, Dr David Strange gave it to me after I found it and two others that were stolen from them back in the 70's.
My other top 5 pieces:
Signed Pete Maravich autobiography
Skip Bertman Wall
52 Final Four program
49 National Championship Boxing program
Tie : 59 Sugar bowl watch & 59 Sugar Bowl pennant
Posted on 5/18/11 at 6:16 pm to tigger1
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I like his 1905 (maybe 1903) small booklet on the old LSU campus
The last time I was at Hill Memorial, I had them pull their copy of this book to show them why I think it was 1902. Come to find out, they had one extra page than mine. It basically says the book was for in coming freshman (or maybe people thinking of enrolling). The pictures maybe 1902/1903, but the book was made in July, 1905
Posted on 5/18/11 at 6:22 pm to canyon
I hope someone in the family has his items form his time at LSU.
The Prescott brother's items were in that family for years, I have not talked to Martin in a long time; I hope he still has their items.
The Prescott brother's items were in that family for years, I have not talked to Martin in a long time; I hope he still has their items.
Posted on 5/22/11 at 3:30 am to Doc Fenton
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No. But when I was looking around online for LSU players who played in NFL Pro Bowls, I discovered that he was one of the earliest ones, and the earliest to do it at QB
I just finished the book, it is good, but seems a little one sided. As far as Young playing in the Pro-Bowl, he never played. He played in the "Chicago College All-Star Game", which matched the NFL champions from the previous year, against the graduating college stars entering the NFL.
Young Bussy only played in the NFL for one year, plus the All-Star game the following year. The day after the All-Star game. He enlisted in the Navy.
He didn't have much playing time in the NFL, mostly second string Half-back (quarterback back then).
On a side note, Gaynell Tinsley made the first touchdown in this series on a catch from Sammy Baugh. It wasn't until the third year, that a touchdown was made. The two previous games resulted in a tie 0-0, and a score of 5-0. (how was 2 scored back then? Drop kick?)
On another side note, I didn't know Jackie Robinson was a big time football star at UCLA and played against Young Bussey in the 1942 game.
Posted on 5/22/11 at 3:57 am to theantiquetiger
Ahhh, okay. Now it's all making sense. I never understood why he would have played in that Pro Bowl game.
It was the Pro Bowl by the way--in this particular case, the Fourth Annual Pro-Bowl Game. Back in those days, the defending NFL champs were on one side, and the pro football All-Stars were on the other side.
[ASIDE: That only lasted 5 seasons though, and after a 7 year hiatus, the Pro Bowl returned for the 1950 season, except now the NFL's rivals had folded (see the Colts, Browns, & 49ers from the old AAFL), so the All-Star selections now pitted the National Conference against the American Conference, like in baseball. (They later switched to just "East" versus "West.") With the creation of the AFL in 1960, there was a new rival league, but the NFL kept to their old internal format, and there wasn't an NFC vs. AFC Pro Bowl until after the 1970 season, when the leagues had finally merged.]
I doubt they ever played against college kids. After two years at Pasadena JuCo, Jackie Robinson played at UCLA for 1939 & 1940, before playing pro ball out west with the Pacific Coast Football League: "the PCPFL was regarded as a minor league of the highest level, particularly in 1940-1945, at a time in which the major National Football League did not extend further west than Chicago and Green Bay."
Apparently choosing the pro all-stars was not restricted to just the NFL teams.
I guess you learn something new every day.

It was the Pro Bowl by the way--in this particular case, the Fourth Annual Pro-Bowl Game. Back in those days, the defending NFL champs were on one side, and the pro football All-Stars were on the other side.
[ASIDE: That only lasted 5 seasons though, and after a 7 year hiatus, the Pro Bowl returned for the 1950 season, except now the NFL's rivals had folded (see the Colts, Browns, & 49ers from the old AAFL), so the All-Star selections now pitted the National Conference against the American Conference, like in baseball. (They later switched to just "East" versus "West.") With the creation of the AFL in 1960, there was a new rival league, but the NFL kept to their old internal format, and there wasn't an NFC vs. AFC Pro Bowl until after the 1970 season, when the leagues had finally merged.]
I doubt they ever played against college kids. After two years at Pasadena JuCo, Jackie Robinson played at UCLA for 1939 & 1940, before playing pro ball out west with the Pacific Coast Football League: "the PCPFL was regarded as a minor league of the highest level, particularly in 1940-1945, at a time in which the major National Football League did not extend further west than Chicago and Green Bay."
Apparently choosing the pro all-stars was not restricted to just the NFL teams.
I guess you learn something new every day.
Posted on 5/22/11 at 4:02 am to Doc Fenton
Here's Sammy Baugh of the Redskins, #33, playing QB for the All-Stars. (His senior year at TCU was in 1936.)
So two LSU Tigers hooked up for the Bears' last TD en route to a 35-24 win.
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They kept right on traveling until Young Bussey passed to lanky Ken Kavanaugh mid-way of the final quarter for their fifth touchdown. The minutes were ticking away when Baugh again connected with Schwartz on the 6-yard line and the Dodger end wiggled across for the final score.
So two LSU Tigers hooked up for the Bears' last TD en route to a 35-24 win.
Posted on 5/22/11 at 4:13 am to Doc Fenton
We are both correct and both wrong. There is the all star game you linked to, that was played in January, and the all star game I talked about, played in August.
Posted on 5/22/11 at 4:48 am to Doc Fenton
As for the book, it was a very hard read. It was very jumpy and didn't go from one event to another very smoothly.
From the book, you cannot tell if Bussey was a great athlete or just a loud mouth.
He actually formed a players union on his high school team and went on strike just before the biggest game of the season because the coach was ordered to resign mid-season.
He tried to form another players union at LSU because of players practice time cutting into their study times.
He played basketball for LSU for only one game before being kicked off the team by Coach Rab.
From the book, you cannot tell if Bussey was a great athlete or just a loud mouth.
He actually formed a players union on his high school team and went on strike just before the biggest game of the season because the coach was ordered to resign mid-season.
He tried to form another players union at LSU because of players practice time cutting into their study times.
He played basketball for LSU for only one game before being kicked off the team by Coach Rab.
Posted on 5/22/11 at 6:41 am to theantiquetiger
The main problems with Young were these, he was a heavy drinker and had a little temper.
He was the number 1 high school player coming out of high school. Stories on him were even in the Chicago paper while he was in high school.
I have seen film on him form his days at LSU, he was very talented; even used a jump pass just like Tebow.
He played mostly on Bernie's second eleven due to his drinking and fighting.
The player Union deal was a major deal, and I would like to see what the BR and campus papers have to say about the issue. Today the players are not at parctice near the time those players spent.
Ken was his teammate and Bernie almost had Ken at lonely end, I still don't see how Bernie missed it. Ken is on the line (like a TE) and has to do is blocking before going out on his pass route, but on punting downs Bernie has him wide out to be one on one to get down field to make the tackle?
He was the number 1 high school player coming out of high school. Stories on him were even in the Chicago paper while he was in high school.
I have seen film on him form his days at LSU, he was very talented; even used a jump pass just like Tebow.
He played mostly on Bernie's second eleven due to his drinking and fighting.
The player Union deal was a major deal, and I would like to see what the BR and campus papers have to say about the issue. Today the players are not at parctice near the time those players spent.
Ken was his teammate and Bernie almost had Ken at lonely end, I still don't see how Bernie missed it. Ken is on the line (like a TE) and has to do is blocking before going out on his pass route, but on punting downs Bernie has him wide out to be one on one to get down field to make the tackle?
Posted on 5/22/11 at 2:31 pm to tigger1
The book made everyone of his coaches look like they were idiots, like they didn't know how to coach. It seemed if the coaches would have let him play the way he wanted, he would have took the teams to championships every time.
The book barely touched on (if at all) that he played second string on the Chicago Bears team when they won back to back world championships. It basically made Coach Halas seem like an idiot.
The book (to me) seemed extremely exaggerated, and is slightly slanted against LSU. It's a little hard to believe that he stood toe to toe against world class boxers, and won every sparring bout he was in, or his high school basketball coach basically let him coach and run the team as he saw fit.
The book barely touched on (if at all) that he played second string on the Chicago Bears team when they won back to back world championships. It basically made Coach Halas seem like an idiot.
The book (to me) seemed extremely exaggerated, and is slightly slanted against LSU. It's a little hard to believe that he stood toe to toe against world class boxers, and won every sparring bout he was in, or his high school basketball coach basically let him coach and run the team as he saw fit.
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