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If you don't like the Kragthorpe hire
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:27 pm
just think, IT CANNOT GET WORSE THAN CROWTON.
If somehow we aren't improved in the slightest, then that's just bad luck. I am on the fence personally, I don't know much about the guy other than what he did as a HEAD COACH.
He's gonna be our OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR though, so how much can we take from that?
Addition by subtraction with the departure of Crowton.
If somehow we aren't improved in the slightest, then that's just bad luck. I am on the fence personally, I don't know much about the guy other than what he did as a HEAD COACH.
He's gonna be our OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR though, so how much can we take from that?
Addition by subtraction with the departure of Crowton.
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Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:28 pm to cornstarch
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If somehow we aren't improved in the slightest, then that's just bad luck.
No, that means that Miles was the problem to begin with. Any other thoughts that pop in your head should remain there.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:29 pm to cornstarch
I just have a problem with his contract. I like the hire. I just don't think he's worth what we're apparently going to pay him, because if it does get worse, we're going to have to pay him more.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:29 pm to INFIDEL
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No, that means that Miles was the problem to begin with. Any other thoughts that pop in your head should remain there.
Well seeing as our offense wasn't always this bad under Miles, I felt the need to mention that as irrelevant.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:32 pm to cornstarch
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Well seeing as our offense wasn't always this bad under Miles,
So, by that reasoning, who was responsible for the dismal performance the past couple of years? Crowton? The offense wasn't always that bad under Crowton, was it?
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:34 pm to INFIDEL
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The offense wasn't always that bad under Crowton, was it?
I like the effort, but my point is that is hasn't been as terribly bad as it was the past couple of years under CROWTON (the OC I might add...) compared to any other years that I can remember.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:39 pm to cornstarch
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I like the effort, but my point is that is hasn't been as terribly bad as it was the past couple of years under CROWTON (the OC I might add...) compared to any other years that I can remember.
K. Just saying that there is a strong possibility that the lack of production out of our offense lately may be directly related to Miles. I am holding out hope that the acquisition of an OC that is on the same page as Miles will cure a lot of our offensive identity issues, but only time will tell.
Just a heads up that more of the same next season my indicate that Miles is the play caller.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 9:41 pm to cornstarch
I'm not satisfied with "IT CANNOT GET WORSE." I want to be the best team in the country, and we have the resources to make that happen.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 10:02 pm to INFIDEL
Why can't our lack of offense the last couple of years just be due to a bad QB ? Without a good QB, NO offense is gonna be any good.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 10:04 pm to cornstarch
quote:But it HAS TO GET BETTER so I take no consolation in that line of thought.
just think, IT CANNOT GET WORSE THAN CROWTON.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 10:12 pm to cornstarch
Just because it cannot get worse than Crowton, does not mean Krag won't suck. LSU needs to make a very strong hire here, and I am not convinced with this guy at all.
I am most interested in seeing how our offense changes, or lack of changes. If we still do the same shitty offense with JJ, I think we can all say Les is the problem with our offense, and it'll be time to let his arse hit the curb. If it is different, yet just as shitty, I hope Krag's buyout isn't big, because he has almost no room for error right now.
I am most interested in seeing how our offense changes, or lack of changes. If we still do the same shitty offense with JJ, I think we can all say Les is the problem with our offense, and it'll be time to let his arse hit the curb. If it is different, yet just as shitty, I hope Krag's buyout isn't big, because he has almost no room for error right now.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 10:16 pm to INFIDEL
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K. Just saying that there is a strong possibility that the lack of production out of our offense lately may be directly related to Miles. I am holding out hope that the acquisition of an OC that is on the same page as Miles will cure a lot of our offensive identity issues, but only time will tell. Just a heads up that more of the same next season my indicate that Miles is the play caller.
There also is a strong possibility that Miles is the reason we went 11-2 this year. Despite our offensive woes. How do you know that he wasnt calling the plays when our O actually performed? You dont. But Ill say this.... there are facts that prove that crowton's offense's production goes down. There are also facts that show Les Miles at LSU and Oklahoma State have had much better offenses without crowton. Im putting this one on the OC and QB coach, crowton.
Because I dont believe for one second miles just decided to start calling plays in 09 and 10 and not any of the other years he has been a head coach. Especially after crowton's offense was brilliant in 07 and ok in 08. And 08 we had a freshman starting. It is pretty freaking obvious he was giving crowton time to develop these qbs and rebuild an offense, and crowtons time ran out. As it should have.
This post was edited on 1/20/11 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 1/20/11 at 10:27 pm to dgnx6
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There also is a strong possibility that Miles is the reason we went 11-2 this year. Despite our offensive woes. How do you know that he wasnt calling the plays when our O actually performed? You dont. But Ill say this.... there are facts that prove that crowton's offense's production goes down. There are also facts that show Les Miles at LSU and Oklahoma State have had much better offenses without crowton. Im putting this one on the OC and QB coach, crowton.
Because I dont believe for one second miles just decided to start calling plays in 09 and 10 and not any of the other years he has been a head coach.
This guy gets it.
And of course when I say "it cannot get worse", I don't mean taking the 103rd ranked offense and being 102nd this year is acceptable.
I do believe that whoever we hire, in this case Kragthorpe, will improve the offense.
The SLIGHTEST semblance of a competent passing attack this year may have been the difference between 11-2 and us being SEC and even National Champions.
The fact we went 11-2 with the 103rd ranked passing offense shows how great our defense, running game, and COACHING (Yes, Les Miles everyone) was.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 11:16 pm to cornstarch
I'm indifferent. Idk how much of his offensive success came from working under Bobby Petrino. He progressively got worst statistically on offense every year he coached somewhere.
Posted on 1/21/11 at 4:55 am to Tigercoop40
It is all about development. Can you develop players? Krag. has to prove he can. Look at Crowton's record when he takes over...does okay at first, then in later years he sucks because he CANNOT develop players.
Posted on 1/21/11 at 7:14 am to cornstarch
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If you don't like the Kragthorpe hire
just think, IT CANNOT GET WORSE THAN CROWTON.
Krags time as OC at TAM, HC at Tulsa and UL
1999: 30 ppg, 374 ypg
2000: 28 ppg, 328 ypg
2003: 31 ppg, 387 ypg
2004: 29 ppg, 356 ypg
2005: 33 ppg, 402 ypg
2006: 28 ppg, 388 ypg
2007: 35 ppg, 488 ypg
2008: 25 ppg, 377 ypg
2009: 19 ppg, 334 ypg
Average it out and it’s 29 ppg, 382 ypg.
in 4 years Crowton averaged 32 and 364
Posted on 1/21/11 at 7:31 am to MastrShake
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2003: 31 ppg, 387 ypg
2004: 29 ppg, 356 ypg
2005: 33 ppg, 402 ypg
2006: 28 ppg, 388 ypg
2007: 35 ppg, 488 ypg
2008: 25 ppg, 377 ypg
2009: 19 ppg, 334 ypg
Can you dig deeper and tell me how his QB performed each of those years, how many sacks and how many WRs he had that were considered five star recruits?
Posted on 1/21/11 at 7:50 am to HubbaBubba
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Can you dig deeper and tell me how his QB performed each of those years, how many sacks and how many WRs he had that were considered five star recruits?
god i fricking loathe that "but if he had our talent" argument. great, fine, he didn't have 5 star wr's. he also wasn't going against saban and his army of 5 star db's. he had 3 stars and he was going against 3 stars. do people really not understand how that works?
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