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re: LSU'S last three years...Just a bare bones look....
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:23 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:23 pm to Lester Earl
quote:The opponent does matter, which is why I've thrown out OOC games, so we're not looking at games in which LSU can manipulate their schedule into rent a wins.
Why does it matter if its UCF or LSU, if the opponent does not matter?
quote:But we're looking at overall SEC performance. Teams go up and down, but the SEC's quality has been pretty constant. I have not argued "he beat Team X so therefore he was successful." I'm looking at how he did against the SEC, the toughest conference in the land, on a year-in, year-out basis. Unless you're arguing that the SEC's quality suddenly dipped for one year and one year only. But you have not made that argument, and in fact, given the chance to make it, you backed down from it.
Things change year to year dude. Even in the SEC. Ole Miss was 0-8 in the conf a few years ago. Miss St was a cellar dweller. UGA was good a few years ago and playing in sugar bowls. Now they arent good. Same with Tenn.
The reason, from the beginning, i've been trying to use just the SEC schedule is that it removes the variance of strength of schedule. The SEC schedule LSU plays is roughly the same each year in overall quality.
Given that roughly similar quality in SOS, I then compare his record. I'm not giving style points, I'm trying to use objective criteria, and you're trying to make the Chewbacca defense. The UCF-Bama example is just a misrepresentation of my argument, as it literally does the OPPOSITE of my intent. It goes against the exact reason I used SEC records from year to year.
We don't judge coaches on one game, it's the overall record. Saban once lost to UAB, it does not make him a bad coach. Using you're "significant win" argument, LSU could go 1-11, but be considered succesful if the one win was against Florida or Bama. That's absurd. It's the totality of the record.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:37 pm to Baloo
Well I posted the records of the teams we beat that year. Not one had a % over .500 the SEC is always competitive but you just can't say that and close the book. That was a poor year in terms of quality of wins compared to the other years you are lumping them with.
And I never said 1 signature win makes a season. Come on. I said all those other years had signature wins when this season had none. That doesn't make a season, but when you are talking quality, it's a factor.
What you are saying to me is like me saying Curtis Martin 1000 yard season @5.2 YPC is the same as his 1000 yard season at 3.8 YPC. "Hey, those season are equal!! 1000 yards is 1000 yards! He is the same RB!" when we both know those aren't equal. Stop dismissing the obvious variables
And I never said 1 signature win makes a season. Come on. I said all those other years had signature wins when this season had none. That doesn't make a season, but when you are talking quality, it's a factor.
What you are saying to me is like me saying Curtis Martin 1000 yard season @5.2 YPC is the same as his 1000 yard season at 3.8 YPC. "Hey, those season are equal!! 1000 yards is 1000 yards! He is the same RB!" when we both know those aren't equal. Stop dismissing the obvious variables
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:41 pm to Baloo
Les has done a good job with what happened after RP was let go and some of the OL commits didn't pan out.
Ya know for such a stumbling bumbling idiot, as some here and in the media have made him out to be, some coaches who have lost to him probably need to be put on a suicide watch.
ETA He's runs a clean program, a class act and wins.
Ya know for such a stumbling bumbling idiot, as some here and in the media have made him out to be, some coaches who have lost to him probably need to be put on a suicide watch.
ETA He's runs a clean program, a class act and wins.
This post was edited on 1/12/11 at 5:15 pm
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