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Why can't Virginia Tech recruit?
Posted on 1/7/11 at 11:35 am
Posted on 1/7/11 at 11:35 am
Curious as to some posters opinions on why Virginia Tech can't recruit... They play in big games every year and are very well publicized. Yet, they do so with a ton of 2 & 3 star recruits. They have some pretty huge talent in VA that they let slip away pretty consistently.
I guess it goes hand in hand with Beamer not being able to win big games; they seem to lack a lot of quality players, even though they have several each year.
Can't win big games bc they don't have tons of good players, yet they can't recruit tons of good players bc they cant win big games????

I guess it goes hand in hand with Beamer not being able to win big games; they seem to lack a lot of quality players, even though they have several each year.
Can't win big games bc they don't have tons of good players, yet they can't recruit tons of good players bc they cant win big games????
Posted on 1/7/11 at 11:44 am to Tennessee Jed
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Scary Asians
not funny
Posted on 1/7/11 at 11:48 am to crazyLSUfan
unrelenting academic standards?? 
Posted on 1/7/11 at 12:22 pm to crazyLSUfan
they are in the mountains.
its like Clemson.
middle of nowhere.
so the population of the adjacent region is minimal.
use Rivals. look at the 5 and 4 star players in the USA this year.
Any from western VA? ZERO?
Any from nearby WV? ZERO?
Ok, now expand 150 miles: any from VA? Md? DC? All those are also being recruited by Md, VA, Penn State, UNC, Rutgers, UConn and MICH and N.D.
its like Clemson.
middle of nowhere.
so the population of the adjacent region is minimal.
use Rivals. look at the 5 and 4 star players in the USA this year.
Any from western VA? ZERO?
Any from nearby WV? ZERO?
Ok, now expand 150 miles: any from VA? Md? DC? All those are also being recruited by Md, VA, Penn State, UNC, Rutgers, UConn and MICH and N.D.
Posted on 1/7/11 at 12:22 pm to tigerguy121
One of the former coaches said that it is very difficult to get Blue Chip type athletes to come to Blacksburg. I have never been there but I have been to Appalachian State in Boone, N.C. and I would not take $200,000 or any amount to play at that place.
Posted on 1/7/11 at 12:26 pm to Malaysian Tiger
BLACKSBURG is a shithole, tiny full of hippies and rednecks,...not exactly the U
Posted on 1/7/11 at 12:31 pm to ottothewise
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ottothewise
Clemson always recruits well, but under achieve, so I'm not sure I get the comparison. They seem to be polar opposites.
Posted on 1/7/11 at 1:32 pm to Malaysian Tiger
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Appalachian State in Boone, N.C. and I would not take $200,000 or any amount to play at that place.
Seriously....? Boone is infinitely better than Baton Rouge could ever be.
Blackburg does suck
Posted on 1/7/11 at 1:39 pm to tigerguy121
I watched some very good players around Northern Virginia this year and wondered why a hand full of these kids were not evaluated better by the schouts. VT does let some very good talent slip away every year. This year unless they recruit these guys prior to signing day, I think they are overlooking players who by the way are committed to other D-1 schools.
Just these two schools alone:
Colonial Forge HS
Battlefield HS
Just these two schools alone:
Colonial Forge HS
Battlefield HS
Posted on 1/7/11 at 1:41 pm to LuzianaFootball
ASU's campus was voted prettiest in the country a few years ago. It's suppose to be beautiful.
Posted on 1/7/11 at 1:48 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Seriously....? Boone is infinitely better than Baton Rouge could ever be.
Except there's a lot to do in Baton Rouge, and it has the best economy of any college town by far.
Not so much for Boone, or Knoxville for that matter.
Posted on 1/7/11 at 1:49 pm to CharlesLSU
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ASU's campus was voted prettiest in the country a few years ago. It's suppose to be beautiful.
Our ain't so bad, for that matter. And there's a lot more to do here. And for students who want to find jobs, we have plenty of them.
Posted on 1/7/11 at 2:00 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Unless a lot has changed since I been to ASU. You used to go there by a Two Lane winding road. When you get there you see a mountain with a school stuck on the side of it. When you enter from the Two Lane Road it felt to me like you are being trapped and cannot ever leave. About like the Hotel California. I could not wait to leave that place. Give me the willies just being there!!!!
Posted on 1/7/11 at 2:05 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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Knoxville for that matter.
Knoxville is just as big as Baton Rouge. As much or more to do in K-town.
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best economy of any college town by far.
I really really doubt that, but I'm sure it has the one of the highest poverty rates
This post was edited on 1/7/11 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 1/7/11 at 2:06 pm to Malaysian Tiger
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I could not wait to leave that place. Give me the willies just being there!!!!
I mean to each his own.
Beautiful mountain town, clean air, amazing climate, in a quaint college town that lives to party.
Or a poverty and crime ridden city on the edge of a swamp
This post was edited on 1/7/11 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 1/7/11 at 2:11 pm to crazyLSUfan
For years Tech. would get TE's and convert them to OL. One year 4 of the starting 5 were former TE's.
Posted on 1/7/11 at 2:19 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Knoxville is just as big as Baton Rouge. As much or more to do in K-town.
Wow. You don't get out much, do you? We have more nightlife here and better food. And New Orleans is an hour away. What is an hour away from Knoxville and actually worth the drive?
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best economy of any college town by far.
I really really doubt that, but I'm sure it has the one of the highest poverty rates
Again, you don't get out much.
Best and Worst Cities for Jobs in 2011
Posted on 1/7/11 at 2:25 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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Wow. You don't get out much, do you? We have more nightlife here and better food. And New Orleans is an hour away. What is an hour away from Knoxville and actually worth the drive?
Nashville is an hour and a half...Atlanta is two and a half hours.
Baton Rouge may be hiring, but I've been there too.
Place is a crime/poverty ridden trash dump.
This post was edited on 1/7/11 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 1/7/11 at 2:26 pm to Tennessee Jed
Baton Rouge has one of the top 10 highest murder rates nationally, according to statistics released by the FBI last week.
The FBI's Preliminary Annual Uniform Crime Report reported Baton Rouge had 67 murders in 2008. The numbers reported put Baton Rouge at No. 7 in the nation for murders per capita, with about 30 killings per 100,000 residents, according to numbers compiled by the FBI. This is down from 71 murders reported in Baton Rouge for 2007.
The FBI compiles the report from statistics reported by local city law enforcement. While the FBI reported 67 murders for Baton Rouge, Baton Rouge Police Department reported only 66 for last year, according to Sergeant Don Kelly of BRPD.
Kelly wasn't able to explain the discrepancy in the statistics, but said it could possibly be because of a pending court decision that was settled after BRPD reported their statistics.
The FBI statistics also showed that New Orleans had the highest murder rate nationally with about 64 murders per 100,000 residents.
University sociology professor Thomas Durant said the Capitol and Crescent cities share high frequency of poverty, drug problems, high school dropouts, and lack of family supervision in concentrated areas — factors that create a dangerous environment.
"Louisiana has a high incidence of poverty, and Baton Rouge is below average," Durant said. "A lot of crimes tend to follow lower socioeconomic status. Murder is a crime of passion and emotion that usually aroused by environmental stimuli such as drugs, low income, lack of education, peer association ... There are more murders in New Orleans than Baton Rouge because we see a higher concentration of those factors."
LSU Police Department spokesman Lawrence Rabalais said controlled or illegal substances are the most common factor in causing both violent and non-violent crime in Baton Rouge.
"Whether it's someone who kills somebody else to steal property to sell and get a fix or someone who kills someone else to get the actual drugs itself, I think it all stems around substance abuse — whether it's drugs or alcohol," Rabalais said. "Drugs are always a factor."
Durant described isolated pockets throughout Baton Rouge as being the places where most of the city's crime is committed.
"LSU is bordered by a low to moderate income area. Some people call it South Baton Rouge, and some people call it the ‘bottom,'" Durant said. "You have pockets like this throughout Baton Rouge. If you would get the statistics for the last year, you will see that basically places like that is where most of the crime is occurring."
Rabalais said the University is safer than statistics for the rest of Baton Rouge suggest because the demographics on campus are completely different than those in the surrounding areas.
"There is crime on campus, and we are not immune to it," Rabalais said. "The University is a city within a city, but our environment within our city is more controlled where you have students who have to have a certain grade point average and are not in poverty."
The rate of murders in a city may not be the most accurate way to assess how safe Baton Rouge is because typically people do not randomly murder other people unless it is an opportunistic murder arising out of robbery, Durant said.
Rabalais said the on-campus double homicide that occurred in December 2007 at Edward Gay Apartments is still under investigation.
Following the double homicide, the University created the Crime Interdiction Unit to identify people who do not belong on campus at suspicious hours as part of a proactive approach to preventing crime on campus, Rabalais said.
Durant said students who live off campus should be the most cautious, because crime is much more prevalent in concentrated areas around the city than on campus.
"Parents need to council their children, and the University should council students who live off-campus about where to live, how to protect themselves and what to be aware of," Durant said.
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The FBI's Preliminary Annual Uniform Crime Report reported Baton Rouge had 67 murders in 2008. The numbers reported put Baton Rouge at No. 7 in the nation for murders per capita, with about 30 killings per 100,000 residents, according to numbers compiled by the FBI. This is down from 71 murders reported in Baton Rouge for 2007.
The FBI compiles the report from statistics reported by local city law enforcement. While the FBI reported 67 murders for Baton Rouge, Baton Rouge Police Department reported only 66 for last year, according to Sergeant Don Kelly of BRPD.
Kelly wasn't able to explain the discrepancy in the statistics, but said it could possibly be because of a pending court decision that was settled after BRPD reported their statistics.
The FBI statistics also showed that New Orleans had the highest murder rate nationally with about 64 murders per 100,000 residents.
University sociology professor Thomas Durant said the Capitol and Crescent cities share high frequency of poverty, drug problems, high school dropouts, and lack of family supervision in concentrated areas — factors that create a dangerous environment.
"Louisiana has a high incidence of poverty, and Baton Rouge is below average," Durant said. "A lot of crimes tend to follow lower socioeconomic status. Murder is a crime of passion and emotion that usually aroused by environmental stimuli such as drugs, low income, lack of education, peer association ... There are more murders in New Orleans than Baton Rouge because we see a higher concentration of those factors."
LSU Police Department spokesman Lawrence Rabalais said controlled or illegal substances are the most common factor in causing both violent and non-violent crime in Baton Rouge.
"Whether it's someone who kills somebody else to steal property to sell and get a fix or someone who kills someone else to get the actual drugs itself, I think it all stems around substance abuse — whether it's drugs or alcohol," Rabalais said. "Drugs are always a factor."
Durant described isolated pockets throughout Baton Rouge as being the places where most of the city's crime is committed.
"LSU is bordered by a low to moderate income area. Some people call it South Baton Rouge, and some people call it the ‘bottom,'" Durant said. "You have pockets like this throughout Baton Rouge. If you would get the statistics for the last year, you will see that basically places like that is where most of the crime is occurring."
Rabalais said the University is safer than statistics for the rest of Baton Rouge suggest because the demographics on campus are completely different than those in the surrounding areas.
"There is crime on campus, and we are not immune to it," Rabalais said. "The University is a city within a city, but our environment within our city is more controlled where you have students who have to have a certain grade point average and are not in poverty."
The rate of murders in a city may not be the most accurate way to assess how safe Baton Rouge is because typically people do not randomly murder other people unless it is an opportunistic murder arising out of robbery, Durant said.
Rabalais said the on-campus double homicide that occurred in December 2007 at Edward Gay Apartments is still under investigation.
Following the double homicide, the University created the Crime Interdiction Unit to identify people who do not belong on campus at suspicious hours as part of a proactive approach to preventing crime on campus, Rabalais said.
Durant said students who live off campus should be the most cautious, because crime is much more prevalent in concentrated areas around the city than on campus.
"Parents need to council their children, and the University should council students who live off-campus about where to live, how to protect themselves and what to be aware of," Durant said.
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