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The ONLY ways LSU plays in the National Championship (Long)

Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:28 pm
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:28 pm
LSUmatt gets alot of respect around here for his BCS understanding, and he recently asked me to take over his BCS threads when he decides to retire from the Rant. I would hope that some of that respect would be extended to me and this thread.

There is alot of speculation on what would need to happen for LSU to make it to the "Big Show." I would like to end the speculaion and give you the scenarios for the ONLY things that can get LSU into the game. Granted, LSU has a huge game this weekend, and has 4 games remaining, but I am not a player, so there is no distraction created by discussing the future. Also, before this thread gets eaten alive by Negatigers or Negatigers disguised as Realitigers, we will assume LSU wins out. It is a big assumption, but it is possible, and it is the underlying basis on which this discussion will start. Also, there are a ton of "ifs" in this thread. If you do not think these things will happen, that is fine. I am not saying they will either. I am just showing you what COULD happen to get LSU into the game. I have also provided the chance that I think a given scenario happens indepedent of LSU winning out. i.e., if LSU wins out, there is an X/Y chance that they get to the NC under this scenario.

Note: A team DOES NOT have to win its conference or division to go to the BCS NC. Rematches are also not "forbidden." Case in point: 2006 Michigan was c-hair away from playing tOSU, but the COMPUTERS, not the humans, kept them out. The humans had Florida and Michigan in an almost dead heat. The computers made the final decision.

LSU v. Auburn in BCS can happen if:

Auburn wins out and:

1)Oregon loses to anyone. Even if they win out, their computer ranking will be terrible. (I know they are #2 now, but watch...) A loss effectively puts them out of the race, under these circumstances.

2)Big 12 champ has to have 2 losses, or else they go over LSU. Even though 11-1 Missouri, as a North runner-up to Nebraska, would probably have a higher computer average than LSU, being the 2nd best team in the SEC will get LSU more human votes than being the 2nd best team in the Big 12. Like it or not, as far as the BCS computers are concerned, the Big 12 is the creme de la creme of the conferences this year, but the SEC perception will carry LSU past 11-1 Missouri in the human polls enough to squeak into the championship game.

3)Boise loses OR they play like shite to end the season and are penalized by the humans.If they win out, they are the hardest team to pass. Ironically, the computers still like them quite a bit, and they would have a higher computer ranking than LSU if both win out, but if Va Tech, Nevada, and Oregon State end up losing a few more, then the computer ranking will fall with them. Nevada, Hawaii, Virginia Tech, and Oregon State all figure to be in the top 45 if they win the games they are favored and lose the games they are supposed to lose. If Va Tech wins the ACC or Oregon State upsets Oregon, I do not think LSU will be able to catch Boise without a Bronco's loss.

4)TCU/Utah can still be undefeated and mathematically get left out, especially if Boise stays undefeated. If there are two undefeated Non-AQ teams, voters will have a clusterfrick and LSU can eat up 2nd and 3rd place votes. If voters find themselves in a connundrum, and I think they would, their ballots would probably go #2 Non AQ, #3 LSU, and #4 Non-AW. In that case, #2, #3, and #4 would be very close in percentages, and if LSU can get it close enough percentage-wise to where LSU's superior computer score should get them into the game. Obviously, a Boise, TCU, and Utah loss would be ideal.

Chance of happening: 2/10

Or, if Auburn loses to Alabama or Georgia, and wins SEC CG, or goes 12-0 but loses SEC CG finishing at 12-1, and:

#1, #2, and #3 from above. Also:

5) If Auburn is 13-1, LSU is 11-1, TCU is 12-0, and Boise is 12-0, ballots will be insane. LSU would probably even draw 1st place votes, to the dismay of many on this board. The computers would ultimately decide things, and Auburn and LSU, would most likely be #1 and #2 respectively, especially if the scenario #3 takes place with Boise.

Chance of happening: 3/10

Note: A 1-loss tOSU, Oregon, Michigan State, or Wisconsin would NOT get in over LSU, even if they win their conference.

LSU v. Oregon can happen if:

Oregon wins out and:

1) Auburn loses to Chattanooga, or loses twice to anyone else. End of story. LSU will not pass 12-1 Auburn even if that loss is in the SEC CG. Single Auburn loses to Alabama, Georgia, or in the SEC CG will not hurt them enough. In fact, if LSU beats Bama, and Auburn loses to Bama but goes 12-1 with the SEC Championship, I think they will still go to the NC over undefeated Boise and TCU/Utah.

See 2, 3, and 4 from above.

5) If it is September 3rd, 2011, this game will happen!

Chance of happening before September 3rd, 2011: 1/10

LSU v. Boise State in BCS NC:

Boise wins out and:

1) Auburn loses to Chattanooga, or loses twice to anyone else. End of story. LSU will not pass 12-1 Auburn even if that loss is in the SEC CG. Single Auburn loses to Alabama, Georgia, or in the SEC CG will not hurt them enough.

2)Oregon loses to anyone.

3)Big 12 chapion has 2 losses.

4)Utah beats TCU. Utah, even with a TCU win, has a dismal computer ranking. If Boise and TCU are the only undefeated teams left, they will prorably get all of the 1st and 2nd place votes, and LSU's computer ranking will not be enough to surpass them. However, if Utah is the other undefeated, then LSU may steal some 2nd place votes and, combined with their computer ranking, they would get into the game. Plus, two Non-AQ in the BCS NC would solve NOTHING and may be the end of the BCS. On second thought, that may not be a bad thing.

Chance of happening: 5/100

LSU v. TCU in the NC

TCU wins out and:

#1, #2, and #3 from above, plus...

4) Boise loss. Despite playing a weaker schedule than TCU, Boise is returning 21 starters from a team that beat TCU last year, and the human polls have taken notice. They have to lose for TCU to surpass them.

Chance of happening: 2/100

LSU v Utah for the NC if:

Utah wins out and:

1) Auburn loses twice.

2) Oregon loses once.

3) Boise loses once.

4) Big 12 Champion has 2 losses.

In this scenario, LSU would probably be #2 in the human polls, but with some 1st place votes. LSU would also be #1 in the computers unless the
Big 12 North runner-up is 11-1, in which case Nebraska/Missouri would probably be #1 in the computers, but the humans would most likely keep them out of the game. Utah would be hurt by the computers but would still get into the game because of the human polls. LSU would probably be the #1 seed, however, with Utah #2.

Chance of happening: 1/100

LSU v. Oklahoma/Missouri/Nebraska/Oklahoma State if:

One of those teams finishes 12-1 with the Big 12 Title and:

1) Auburn loses twice

2) Oregon, Boise, TCU/Utah all have one loss.

This one is simple. LSU would be #1 or #2 in the computers and polls, with the Big 12 winner being the other #1 or #2 team.

Chance of happening: 5/1000

Missouri can still make it without winning the conference if they win out and:

#1 and #2 from above, plus:

3) Oklahoma and Oklahoma State lose before Big 12 Championship, but one of them beats 11-1 Nebraska in the game.

Missouri would be a strong candidate for #1 in the computers, but would have to pass up the 1 loss Little Eleven champion in the human polls. I think they would.

Chance of this happening: 3/1000

Continued...
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:29 pm to
LSU v. Wisconsin if:

Wisconsin is 11-1 and the Little Eleven conference champ, and:

1) Auburn loses twice

2) Oregon, Boise, TCU/Utah all have one loss

3) Big 12 Champion and Missouri hav 2 losses.

Chance of happening: 7/1000

LSU v. Ohio State/Michigan State if

Ohio State wins out Ohio State gets the nod over Michigan State. Michigan state wins out tOSU loses, Michigan state gets the nod. Also:

1) Auburn loses twice.

2) Oregon, Boise, Utah, and TCU all have one loss.

3) Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all lose again

4) Wisconsin loses

Chance of happening: 1/1000

LSU v. Stanford in NC if:

Stanford wins out and:

#1, #2, and #3 from above, plus:

#4) Wisconsin, Ohio State, and Michigan State lose again

Chance of this happening: 5/10000

LSU v. The Field for NC:

#1, #2, #3, and #4 from above plus:

5) Stanford loses again

6) The craziest shite you have ever seen happens

Chances of this happening: 1/100000

Team that controls it's own destiny, and then some: Auburn. Win out, they are in. Provided they stil win the West, they can lose to Georgia or Alabama and would still probably get in at 12-1 over undefeated Boise and TCU/Utah.

Teams that control their own destiny: Oregon and Alabama. Win out, and they are in.

Teams that need some help: Boise and Utah/TCU. They need Oregon and Alabama to lose, at least. Maybe even two losses from Auburn.

Teams that need alot of help: LSU, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Missouri, Wisconsin, tOSU, Michigan State, Oklahoma State, and Stanford.

I hope this settles the scenarios under which LSU can make it to the National Championship.
Posted by HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
Bossier City
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:30 pm to
LSU will not play in the National Championship. Period. Get that thought out.
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
Knightsgate
Member since Jan 2004
25223 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:31 pm to
Jesus christ dude, we will lose multiple games going forward, everyone needs to give it up with these ludicrous thoughts of playing for a MNC.

We have a triple digit rated offense, the worst QB in football and a moron for a HC.
Posted by coolpapaboze
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

LSU will not play in the National Championship. Period. Get that thought out.

Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91506 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:32 pm to
LSU-MNCBABY

Why click on the fricking post?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91506 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

Granted, LSU has a huge game this weekend, and has 4 games remaining, but I am not a player, so there is no distraction created by discussing the future. Also, before this thread gets eaten alive by Negatigers or Negatigers disguised as Realitigers, we will assume LSU wins out. It is a big assumption, but it is possible, and it is the underlying basis on which this discussion will start.


Looks like none of the douches in this thread can read.
This post was edited on 11/4/10 at 1:34 pm
Posted by Spirit of Dunson
Member since Mar 2007
23112 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:33 pm to
whereas I think this is a pipedream, I would like to remind posters of 2007 when matt posted the necessary scenario for LSU to get to the championship... then it happened.

I'm not saying that matt can bend space and time, but... have you ever seen him and jesus together at the same time? I haven't.
Posted by Lil Man
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2007
1488 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:35 pm to
all of that is under the assumption that LSU wins out. What are you odds for that happening?
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
17507 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:35 pm to
so you're saying there's a chance?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91506 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

whereas I think this is a pipedream


As do I.

quote:

I would like to remind posters of 2007 when matt posted the necessary scenario for LSU to get to the championship... then it happened.


Exactly. If LSU loses, all bets are off of course. However, if LSU wins out, you can check of the above events as they happen in order to figure out what would happen.
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
Knightsgate
Member since Jan 2004
25223 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

whereas I think this is a pipedream, I would like to remind posters of 2007 when matt posted the necessary scenario for LSU to get to the championship... then it happened.

I'm not saying that matt can bend space and time, but... have you ever seen him and jesus together at the same time? I haven't.


Difference being that year we actually we actually had a good squad on both sides of the ball and........ wait for it......... wait for it......

DIDNT HAVE THE WORST frickING QB EVER TO PUT ON AN LSU UNIFORM STARTING FOR US! :banghead: :banghead:
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91506 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

all of that is under the assumption that LSU wins out. What are you odds for that happening?


I would say LSU has 9-1 odds of winning out. Would you bet 10 dollars to make 1 if LSU loses a game?
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
Knightsgate
Member since Jan 2004
25223 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

9-1 odds


seriously?? Dude its honestly 30-1 that we win out.

Not trying to be negative at all but you have lost your mind if u think the odds are that low.

Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91506 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

LSU-MNCBABY


I am not arguing that point at all. I am trying to clear up the speculation by those asking "what if" all the time. Well, now all those people will know what happens if blah blah blah happens.

I never said LSU will win out, did I?
Posted by lashinala
End of 565
Member since Jan 2006
5753 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:39 pm to
I was with you until you said the part about LSUmatt letting a guy with the handle 'slackster' take over....then you lost me.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91506 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

seriously?? Dude its honestly 30-1 that we win out.

Not trying to be negative at all but you have lost your mind if u think the odds are that low.


If we beat Alabama, to what do you move our odds?
This post was edited on 11/4/10 at 1:40 pm
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
Knightsgate
Member since Jan 2004
25223 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

I never said LSU will win out, did I?


You started a thread about them winning the NC, I didn't read the novel you posted, sorry.
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
Knightsgate
Member since Jan 2004
25223 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:40 pm to
20-1 at best.

Road game vs arky is far from a gimmie.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91506 posts
Posted on 11/4/10 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

I was with you until you said the part about LSUmatt letting a guy with the handle 'slackster' take over....then you lost me.




quote:

lsumatt

re: OFFICIAL BCS THREAD - Oct 31 (Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:24 a.m. to slackster)

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slackster - do want to send me your top 10?

Btw, I nominate you to take over the BCS thread when I give it up!

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